So your point is, if it were a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SCENARIO, then pulling your attacker closer would make sense to you. I hate to be the one to do
this but it is not a completely different scenario. One man is supposedly just choking another man, not swinging or throwing, CHOKING. The other man
with FREE HANDS, is hugging him. None of what you said applies here. Thanks for playing.
That information coupled with his "plain dress" kinda leads me to suspect he was an undercover security guard or something along those lines. Who
knows how many of those guys were walking around the crowd, just waiting for someone to look at the candidate just the little bit cross-eyed.
The wolves walking among the dogs, that's for sure!
Someone's hand can be seen removing Lauren's wig. The "gentleman" with the green hat ("the squisher") has grabbed Lauren and actually seems to trip
over himself as he is pulling/pushing/wrestling her to the ground.
The other "gentleman" in the black shirt ("the smoosher") also has one hand on her and seems to be "assisting".
While trying to restrain her, they are calling for the police (something not generally done while in the process of committing a "crime").
From :19 to :22 :
"The squisher" has Lauren on the ground and squishes her exactly two times, once with a hand on her boob (does not appear to be a deliberate act of
sexual perversion) and shoulder, and then again with both hands on her shoulder.
An "older" gentlewoman with a relatively large rear-end enters the frame and can be heard saying "you are kidding me, what are you doing,
garble (possibly said stop).
By the :22 second mark, "the squisher" can no longer be seen. It would appear that the ample bootied gentlewoman has single handedly thwarted "the
squisher" in approximately 1.5 seconds.
From :23 to :25 :
With Lauren still on the ground, "the smoosher" literally puts his sneaker on Lauren's shoulder and then pushes down, resulting in a single smooshing,
at which point someone immediately says "no no no no come on". By :26, "the smoosher" has already begun to move away.
The entire incident began and ended within 7 seconds. By no stretch of the imagination could this incident be accurately described as a "stomping"
and clearly had nothing to do with her head.
Insert large text here:
Lauren Valle was not simply "exercising her Constitutionally guaranteed freedom of speech."
Lauren Valle is no stranger to controversy.
In May, Valle and six others were arrested on felony charges for defacing a drilling boat after the Gulf oil spill.
In August of 2008, a Lauren Valle was also one of five members of "Students for a Free Tibet" detained in Beijing, China for unfurling a Free Tibet
sign in Olympic Park.
Or Maybe she's a known instigator and was trying to keep from being recognized.
Lauren has made some other statements as well, but it would seem that someone neglected to tell her that a new video has surfaced.
When Rand Paul's car arrived a couple of them stepped in front of me so I stepped off the curb to get around them to get back out front. At
that point they started grabbing for me and I ran all the way around the car with them in pursuit. The footage is after I've run all the way around
the car and I'm in front of the car and that is when they took me down.
Valle said that the closest she got to Paul was "about five feet away" and that was only because she was running from the crowd.
In fact, no one is paying any attention to her at all, which is exactly why she is able to stand towards the front of the crowd. She then rushes up
to Rand Paul while trying to thrust her sign into the _.. Its only after this aggressive behavior, that a man in a dark suit pushes her back.
However, at :54, she re-emerges from around the front of the SUV in what we appears to be another effort to rush Rand Paul.
According to her, the closest she got to Rand Paul "was about five feet away"...
Felony charges, disguises, a paid protester, consistent lies...
Lauren, it may be time for a career change.
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Simply calling it "smooshed" instead of stomped changes nothing but the latest excuse for why you think she deserved what she got. He stomped on
her. She was already CLEARLY restrained. You cannot even excuse wiping your foot on someone that is already restrained, let alone smashing down with
your foot and causing injury.
I have to ask because when you are really, actually being choked, hugging your choker closer to you is rarely the response a normal person gives. I
have to wonder how many of you would respond to being choked by pulling your attacker closer while they are choking you and both your arms are free to
push or pull as you please.
What did the hospital report his injuries were?
So your point is, if it were a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SCENARIO, then pulling your attacker closer would make sense to you. I hate to be the one
to do this but it is not a completely different scenario. One man is supposedly just choking another man, not swinging or throwing, CHOKING. The other
man with FREE HANDS, is hugging him. None of what you said applies here. Thanks for playing.
No, I am saying, in that scenario, I would pull them closer. If someone seems mad enough to try to choke me, then I would assume they would be mad
enough to hit too, fair assumption. I might also decide to just break away for the old guy's safety, after I assess the situation too, but I would
definately not turn my back on him when getting away like that man did.
You should see the smear campaigns that his opponent endorsed on TV political ads too lol. Same old same old though, smear and attacks seem to get way
more attention from the ignorant, than do good old fashioned state your own case ads do
I assumed nothing. In fact I actually suggested that people "ponder" and cited WUK's well known and documented ideas.
The only fact that I stated is that what that poster said was "utterly reprehensible"
I may have implied in an impartial manner, but I assumed nothing.
ETA: If you identify yourself with the Tea Party wouldn't you be much better served by stating that you disagree with that posters opinion than
addressing my statements about it? After all, that poster is the one making TTP look bad... Not me.
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It seems like you are really just kind of trailing off there. Sorry but I see a video of two men who should not be touching each other at all but I
can not believe for one moment that a choking is taking place with that cute embrace. We can all talk about ifs and buts, unfortunately that video is
just as lame an attampt as the deal about the lady with the soft cast getting her foot stepped on in a crowd.
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