In my village we didn't use money

Originally posted by oozyism

Originally posted by 547000
How would you trade soft goods for hard goods? I think going back to barter would just drop living conditions. How would a modern society make the transition? It could only work in a very small scale.

Actually that is not true, it can work on any scale.

Money is not real, that is why we are having all these problems, because we are trading with something not real.

I mean common, the American government is printing money from thin air.

Pure trade is trading real things, corporations shouldn't exist, since they exist they have locked us in the matrix. We are stuck, they are the slave masters, no one can deny it.

Life can be quiet easy with real trade also, you just have to think beyond money.

"You stand in the midst of the greatest achievements of the greatest productive civilization and you wonder why it's crumbling around you, while you're damning its life-blood--money. You look upon money as the savages did before you, and you wonder why the jungle is creeping back to the edge of your cities. Throughout men's history, money was always seized by looters of one brand or another, whose names changed, but whose method remained the same: to seize wealth by force and to keep the producers bound, demeaned, defamed, deprived of honor. That phrase about the evil of money, which you mouth with such righteous recklessness, comes from a time when wealth was produced by the labor of slaves--slaves who repeated the motions once discovered by somebody's mind and left unimproved for centuries. So long as production was ruled by force, and wealth was obtained by conquest, there was little to conquer, Yet through all the centuries of stagnation and starvation, men exalted the looters, as aristocrats of the sword, as aristocrats of birth, as aristocrats of the bureau, and despised the producers, as slaves, as traders, as shopkeepers--as industrialists.

"Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men's protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it bounces, marked, 'Account overdrawn.'

"But money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it will not replace you as the driver. It will give you the means for the satisfaction of your desires, but it will not provide you with desires. Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the law of causality--the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind.

"Money will not purchase happiness for the man who has no concept of what he wants: money will not give him a code of values, if he's evaded the knowledge of what to value, and it will not provide him with a purpose, if he's evaded the choice of what to seek. Money will not buy intelligence for the fool, or admiration for the coward, or respect for the incompetent. The man who attempts to purchase the brains of his superiors to serve him, with his money replacing his judgment, ends up by becoming the victim of his inferiors. The men of intelligence desert him, but the cheats and the frauds come flocking to him, drawn by a law which he has not discovered: that no man may be smaller than his money. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

--Francisco d'Anconia
Atlas Shrugged

Some of us here realize this,but not very many.

You may have to wait about the equivalent time it took us to become so dependent on nothing, until we realize we can get by on nothing.

For Most;Never.

Most Melikans is pussies.

reply to post by chiponbothshoulders


Actually we can start this pretty fast if we, start with our families, then slowly push outwards, hence our neighbors etc.

We truly do need to start trading with real stuff, and stop with BS.

I have already started with my family and neighbors.

reply to post by chiponbothshoulders


Actually we can start this pretty fast if we, start with our families, then slowly push outwards, hence our neighbors etc.

We truly do need to start trading with real stuff, and stop with BS.

I have already started with my family and neighbors.

When one faction/fiction,acquires the faith of the people regarding the exchange of wealth or anything of value,that influence is used to the disadvantage of the people through faith for it's own gain.