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posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 04:34 PM
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Can anyone tell me what this symbol means?:

It's a triangle with a Yod inside (the Hebrew letter that looks like a 7).

What is the precise meaning of this symbol and what possible 'information' could be gained by 'going into the symbol'?





posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 04:47 PM
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That's the symbol of the Fourteenth Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, called in the Southern Jurisdiction the "Perfect Elu" It appears on the 14th Degree Ring often seen being worn by Scottish Rite Masons. Inside appear the words Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit" (What Virtue has untied death shall not seperate)

-John (32nd Degree Freemason and ritual collector)



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 05:14 PM
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Bro. Senrak is correct. This symbol is also used in the Royal Arch Degree of the York Rite.

In both Rites, the Letter Yod symbolizes the Holy Tetragrammaton, and the Letter Delta, which surrounds it, symbolizes the Trinitarian aspect of Deity and Man.

Fiat Lvx.



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
Bro. Senrak is correct. This symbol is also used in the Royal Arch Degree of the York Rite.

In both Rites, the Letter Yod symbolizes the Holy Tetragrammaton, and the Letter Delta, which surrounds it, symbolizes the Trinitarian aspect of Deity and Man.

Fiat Lvx.


True, true. I'd forgotten about the Royal Arch use of it. (Sad on my part because it's my favorite York Rite Degree.



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 05:55 PM
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Fiat Lvx.


True, true. I'd forgotten about the Royal Arch use of it. (Sad on my part because it's my favorite York Rite Degree.



I like the R A but I particulary like the Cryptic degrees.

Gerard O'Donnell



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by senrak
(What Virtue has untied death shall not seperate)

-John (32nd Degree Freemason and ritual collector)


Almost perfect, Brother John, but I believe you would be more accurate in saying "what virtue has united death shall not separate." Reminds me of the old "poor typists of the world, UNTIE!"

P.S. I should note that while typing this message, I myself wrote "untie" twice before I got it right. Also, I spelled "old" as "onld" for some reason, and just misspelled "also" as "aslo." I'm no Saint



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 08:46 PM
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Almost perfect, Brother John, but I believe you would be more accurate in saying "what virtue has united death shall not separate." Reminds me of the old "poor typists of the world, UNTIE!"

P.S. I should note that while typing this message, I myself wrote "untie" twice before I got it right. Also, I spelled "old" as "onld" for some reason, and just misspelled "also" as "aslo." I'm no Saint




Bro. Alex, Got me! ...my little fat fingers got ahead of me again! Thanks!

Yes...what virtue has "united"
-John



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 11:14 PM
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(I am editing this here to clarify that this was an actual real 3D conscious experience and not a 'dream' as thought by the next post. I had this experience while visiting a friend in Knoxville, TN):

The reason I'm asking about this symbol is:

Many years ago (mid 80's) I had the strangest experience:

I was driving to Knoxville, TN from Atlanta to see a friend. On the way up I 'heard' several times: "This is an Initiation".

When I got to my friend's home, she put me in a sort of hypnotic/meditative state (she was a pychotherapist and we were both in similar 'fields') and I heard flute music which led me through a doorway of a pyramid (anything Egyptian gives me the creeps, mind you). An electric blue light and this flute music lead me through all these halls - the light illuminating hieroglyphics along the way that I felt I was supposed to recognise. When I reached the apex of the pyramid, the vantage point was horizontal instead of verticle and "I" became liquid gold and threaded through the apex of the pyramid and flowed out into the starry night sky.

Somehow I ended up on top of a snowy mountain with the starry night sky serving as a backdrop, and I could see my physical form - sort of translucent (no hair) filled with particles of moving gold. I was flanked by two beings dressed in hooded brown robes who presented me with a brown leather bound book with my name embossed on the front of it. They opened it and all I remember seeing was an owl hieroglyph on the top line of the left hand page and a triangle with the yod inside.

I was 'told' by these two beings to "go into the symbol and you will learn anything you want to know". I entered the symbol and went into a sort of electric blue grid system that divided empty space into lanes and compartments. I was told that I could retrieve any information I needed and exit the triangle symbol - bringing back the info. The next thing I know one of these beings spread these huge wings - that were multi colored brown wings - and he said, "Look for the birds. Watch for the birds." as if that would be some kind of 'sign' when I eventually saw them.

A man came to visit us at my friend's house shortly thereafter, who was wearing a gold ring with that same yod in the middle of a triangle. He, too, 'worked' with me. (He was a master of fine arts 'realism' and also a reclusive person with exceptional psychic ability.) When he was 'working' with me, in a 'vision' I entered a cave where 3 elderly looking men with long grey beards and wearing brown robes smiled at me and each one of them showed me a symbol: a square, circle and a triangle. I got the feeling they were like the 'keepers' of geometry (?!) They instructed me to hold my hands up in a certain position and they beamed some sort of light into the palms of my hands - and suddenly the man working with me, wearing the ring, said: Oh, my! They are showing you the secret hand-'something' (not 'handshake' but something else.. maybe 'greeting').

Anyway, I haven't understood exactly what all that was about since - as I have no clue about Masons, their symbols or what the heck the triangle with the yod inside meant. (I only know that the man who came to visit was a Mason - which he told me when I spotted his ring and asked what it was).

So that's the story.... the Perfect Elu thing sounds interesting... but I still don't 'get' the symbol's meaning as far as 'initiation' levels, I guess...

Any clues?

[edit on 28-6-2004 by Mystic7]



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 11:39 PM
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Mystic, that is very interesting. I am not a Mason but the dream you are describing is similar to a friend of mine who had a dream where knowledge from the universe was given to him as he passed through a field of light. As he exited the light he lost some knowledge, retaining some knowledge. How versed are you in psychic ability and interpretation of dreams?



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 06:15 AM
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Originally posted by MOOR45
Mystic, that is very interesting. I am not a Mason but the dream you are describing is similar to a friend of mine who had a dream where knowledge from the universe was given to him as he passed through a field of light. As he exited the light he lost some knowledge, retaining some knowledge. How versed are you in psychic ability and interpretation of dreams?


Well, MOOR45 - it wasn't a 'dream', but a living breathing 3D experience I had in a concious meditative state. As for how well versed I am in psychic ability: I am clairvoyant, clairaudient, clairsentient and possess clairgustence (smelling things that 'aren't there')
I have precognitive dreams, etc. I've had many mystical experiences which differ greatly from psychic experiences.

Your friend's dream sounds almost like a near death experience. (NDE) Typical of people who momentarily 'cross over' into the 'Light' and receive all kinds of info... but upon returning to their bodies, sometime fail to recall all that has transpired.



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 02:44 PM
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Mystic, these terms are new to me except clairvoyance. Is this something from birth or a newly developed gift. I know we can all harness these abilities yet I have not read on the dynamics of this. The dream my mentor had dealt with Queztacoatl and many symbols including a Phoenix. He has similar but possibly to a lesser degree than yourself. I need to interpret dream myself better.



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by MOOR45
Mystic, these terms are new to me except clairvoyance. Is this something from birth or a newly developed gift. I know we can all harness these abilities yet I have not read on the dynamics of this. The dream my mentor had dealt with Queztacoatl and many symbols including a Phoenix. He has similar but possibly to a lesser degree than yourself. I need to interpret dream myself better.


I was always 'sensitive', but at age 29 I went through a major 'awakening' and ended up with the ability to see (clairvoyance), hear (clairaudience), solar plexis/gut feeling (clairsentience) and smelling (clairgustance) things that were not apparent in the 3rd dimension. I am also a medium (yes, communicating with those crossed over). Been at it for over 20 years now...

Anyway, anyone can develop.. Everyone has a voice and can sign - just some people are capable of singing opera, etc. - sort of the same thing with psychic abilities.. kind of an 'octave' range thing.



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 08:13 PM
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www.chick.com...
A great little booklet about masons and whom they really worship



posted on Jun, 29 2004 @ 10:59 AM
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Mystic7 - Sounds like you got the full on 'Masonic Treatment' as everything you described in your experience has some Masonic symbolism. Even the dudes in the robes with the circle, square and triangle. (All Mason symbols).

Maybe you were a Mason in another life
and you were getting your wake-up call....



posted on Jun, 29 2004 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by PsiEye
Even the dudes in the robes with the circle, square and triangle. (All Mason symbols).


Um, really? I've never seen any of these, and I'm active in a lot of appendant bodies, as well as of course the Craft Lodge.

-Dudes in robes: I've never seen any degree or ritual work that had anyone in a robe.

-Circle: the circle per se is not a Masonic symbol. The symbol of which you may be thinking is a circle with a dot in the centre, with two vertical lines flanking. This is not a symbol within the Canadian Rite, but I have seen it in York Rite Lodges.

-Square: The Masonic "square" is not the quadrilateral, but rather the instrument of architecture, i.e. a device for measuring angles of 90 degrees.

-Triangle: The triangle is not a Masonic symbol, but is rather a widely-spread symbol of the Deity.



posted on Jun, 29 2004 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by AlexKennedy

Originally posted by PsiEye
Even the dudes in the robes with the circle, square and triangle. (All Mason symbols).


Um, really? I've never seen any of these, and I'm active in a lot of appendant bodies, as well as of course the Craft Lodge.

-Dudes in robes: I've never seen any degree or ritual work that had anyone in a robe.

-Circle: the circle per se is not a Masonic symbol. The symbol of which you may be thinking is a circle with a dot in the centre, with two vertical lines flanking. This is not a symbol within the Canadian Rite, but I have seen it in York Rite Lodges.

-Square: The Masonic "square" is not the quadrilateral, but rather the instrument of architecture, i.e. a device for measuring angles of 90 degrees.

-Triangle: The triangle is not a Masonic symbol, but is rather a widely-spread symbol of the Deity.


Then read this webpage - which discusses the circle, square and triangle and how it relates to the Masons.... not to mention, being the basic components of geometry. Get a clue. As for the brown robes, I wasn't meaning the brown robes were symbolic of being a Mason... only the whole Egyptian connection, the triangle with the yod, the circle, square, triangle..

www.angelfire.com...

Sheesh..

PS: Since these dudes were ANCIENTS - perhaps in THOSE days these Masons wore brown robes.. now that I think about it!
[edit on 29-6-2004 by PsiEye]

[edit on 29-6-2004 by PsiEye]



posted on Jun, 29 2004 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by PsiEye
Get a clue.


I have quite a few. Unless, perhaps, you mean the "Clue" board game, also known as "Cluedo?" I don't have that. But I'm not made of money, PsiEye!

Listen. I could equally well write a reserach paper on the way I think that the symbolism of a tree's growth relates to Freemasonry. That does not make it a Masonic Symbol. The words "Masonic Symbol" are usually taken to mean "symbols that are indicated specifically in the Ritual Work, either with or without explanation." The geometrical square, the geometrical circle, and the triangle are each never referred to per se in any Work in any Craft Lodge of which I am aware (it may be that they are present in Work of which I am unaware). The triangle containing a Hebrew yod is found within Lodges of Perfection in the Scottish Rite, but never in the Craft Lodge.



posted on Jun, 29 2004 @ 07:50 PM
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Since I was the person who had the experience, I kind of have to agree with PsiEye.

The entire series of experiences happened within one day, and all seemed to be related to the Masons - as the triangle with the yod was also the symbol on the ring the guy was wearing - and he was a Mason. And it was he who was 'working' with me when I had the vision of the old ancient looking guys in robes and long beards - each holding a different symbol out to me - circle, square, triangle.

Therefore I feel that there was something to this symbolism. I took a look at that link PsiEye posted and it seemed quite interesting in light of it all.

So, I have to agree - that although they may not be 'true' present day Mason symbols - what I was seeing was more archetypical and more ancient.


BTW - I just discovered this webpage which mentions in the second to the last paragraph that the 'square is one of the major symbols of Freemansonry, etc.' .... here's the link:

articles.findarticles.com...

Not only that, based on a U2U reply I got from one of the posters here - I discovered that there was a 'vault'/'cave' associated with Masons and his particular article addresses that as well ... cool.

(The above link is page 3 of a 4 page article.. which I just went back to start reading from Page 1 and it's really intriguing! Check it out!)

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[edit on 29-6-2004 by Mystic7]

[edit on 29-6-2004 by Mystic7]



posted on Jun, 29 2004 @ 11:28 PM
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A quote from the website you recommended:



An "old metal set-square" found at Smith's Cove may simply be an innocent artifact, but we recall that three small squares were among the items found in the Secret Vault (Duncan 1972, 243). Indeed, the square is one of the major symbols of Freemasonry which, united with a pair of compasses, comprises the universal Masonic emblem.


As is obvious in context, the square referred to here is the architectural tool used in testing 90 degree angles, not the quadrilateral.

I mean in no way to attack the validity of your vision. I simply mean that it has nothing to do with Masonic symbolism. To proclaim that your ideas are in fact "ancient" Masonic symbols is proofless. Again, I have nothing wrong with what you saw per se just please don't label it "Masonic" just because you wish it to be so.



posted on Jun, 30 2004 @ 03:59 AM
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I had a dream about eating a giant marshmallow last night.
When I woke up, my pillow was gone.


Do ya think I'm psychic?



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