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Does religion/church keep people in the Dark?

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posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 02:46 PM
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Yes, i am convinced it does. My experience from church was a bunch of fairy tales and people putting their faith and money into that fairy tale. It is no secret that Catholism held back the advancement of man for over a millienium. I went to search seeking to better myself, spirtually, intellectually......instead I was just told the same lame story over again and had to put with the born agains saying I was in the Dark.

I dont wanna be happy believing that Ill go to heaven when I die, I wanna use my mind to do something great. Christianity didnt have what I was looking for.

I love religion and have had gotten great insight from Rabbis, monks, and even Christian clergy, I just cant take all the fools who take the bible too literally and get caught up in the fairy tale.

Anyone here with me in wanting to see things how they are, not some fairy tale picture that isnt true?




posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by jrod
It is no secret that Catholism held back the advancement of man for over a millienium.


jrod, can you find something to support this or is this a personal opinion? I think if you do your research you'll find that the Catholic church started and fostered the first form of formal education over a thousand years ago and that the Church was responsible for the education of children long before the secular state took on that responsibility within the last 100 to 200 years.



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 03:08 PM
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Coperinicus and Da Vinci's work were both rejected by the Catholic church, that plenty of evidence right there. Witch hunts and using the threat of being burned at the stake for all those who did not conform is another. Ancient Greek and Romans were advanced, the advancement of technology stopped in the dark ages, and the way i see it the Church worked to keep people slaves of the church with their goal to keep the church the most powerful form of governent and extremly wealthy.



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by CommonSense

Originally posted by jrod
It is no secret that Catholism held back the advancement of man for over a millienium.


jrod, can you find something to support this or is this a personal opinion? I think if you do your research you'll find that the Catholic church started and fostered the first form of formal education over a thousand years ago and that the Church was responsible for the education of children long before the secular state took on that responsibility within the last 100 to 200 years.


Well they sure didn't teach people how to read. They kept all the bibles in Latin. So the only interpretation people would get would be from them. Most the population back then wasn't able to read and the ones that did certainly didn't know how to read Latin.

They also sold indulgences which is basically ceremony they scare people to perform. They used to tell people that if they didn't have those "ceremonies" performed there loved one's might go to hell. They lied to the people until Martian Luther(not the civil rights leader) broke away from the church translated the bible from Latin to German so the people could see that they were being lied to.

You can say that the church is a organization ran by man. It's going to have it's flaws. When the church begat money and power that is when it lost it's true path.



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 03:21 PM
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Again, it's time for a little research on the system of education from about 200 AD forrward. The facts are what they are and will speak for themselves. With regard to the Bible being in Latin, yes it was, and who taught people to read Latin, the only education system that existed, the Catholic Church.

With regard to indulgences, I don't think you understand the full history. In early, very early times, penances were given that encompassed a number off years. Indulgences were granted for certain acts to reduce the time of that penance. BTW, that meant during this life. At times there were abuses if the indulgence system but, without understanding its full purpose, I don't think one can say you could buy your way into heaven.



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 03:27 PM
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This thread appears as though it's simply an anti-Catholic rant with no desire to search for or acknowlege historical facts. That being the case, I'll take a pass on the discussions.
CS

[edit on 6/27/2004 by CommonSense]



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 03:40 PM
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I just posted this reply in another thread:

This and many other things about "organized religon"(like the Church) bother me. I have chosen to become a non-denominational Christian for this very reason. This means I do not subscribe to one section of the religion(which God tells us not to do-not to split apart). I chose to follow the Bible and not the traditions The Church has set down.

As for the Pope and Vatiacan, I believe that they have been corrupted by all the stuff they are able to do in the "name of God". This is why the crusades happened as well.


this way i can choose for myself what is true, not having to pick from tradition vs fact.

The thread i orginally posted that in



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 04:05 PM
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In the beginning of Christianity the holy scriptures were only for the clergy eyes not for the common people, the reason the church did this was because they truly thought that the common uneducated man was not prepared to absorbed the lords knowledge.

At the time the language of the church was Latin and the Scriptures were also Latin, the Old Latin MSS. The old Latin was a translation from the Septuagint Greek Scriptures of Old Testament and not from Hebrew. The New Testament was based on various Greek versions.

In 342-420 the old Latin version of the gospels were revised.

Only the educated monks were the ones to interpret the Latin bible in tongues and dialects of their listeners.

Yes even the educated people around (usually the wealthy and royalty) was not allowed to read from the scriptures.



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by jrod
I went to search seeking to better myself, spirtually, intellectually......instead I was just told the same lame story over again and had to put with the born agains saying I was in the Dark.

I dont wanna be happy believing that Ill go to heaven when I die, I wanna use my mind to do something great.

Anyone here with me in wanting to see things how they are, not some fairy tale picture that isnt true?


jrod - I am with you and, if I am reading you correctly it sounds to me like you believe in God but do not agree with any of the dogma you have seen in organized religion? If so, I have been where you are and I have found the answer that rings true with my heart...... I am a Deist. Check it out, you might be too. Deist info Here is a good resource to give you an overview - I highly recommend reading Thomas Paine's "Age of Reason". When I discovered this it confirmed every conclusion I had come to on my own prior to reading it and I felt a huge weight lift from my sholders.



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 06:15 PM
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I always said to educate yourself in everything and then make your own conclucions, by the way I love Thomas Pain. Can you tell?



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 06:20 PM
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Marg - sorry to say I hadn't even noticed your sig. line. Excellent choice! And I agree - God gave us the ability to reason for a reason.
We are expected to use it and most organized religions require us to set reason aside and just accept what they say as truth even though every law of nature (which God created) says differently. To quote my favorite FBI agent "The truth is out there", and it is right in front of our noses in every single thing on earth and in the universe. Science, nature and math are Gods words and laws for us. They are not subject to interpretation, only to discovery and they never change, only our understanding of them may change as we continute to seek and discover and learn.



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by jrod
Yes, i am convinced it does. My experience from church was a bunch of fairy tales and people putting their faith and money into that fairy tale. It is no secret that Catholism held back the advancement of man for over a millienium. I went to search seeking to better myself, spirtually, intellectually......instead I was just told the same lame story over again and had to put with the born agains saying I was in the Dark.

I dont wanna be happy believing that Ill go to heaven when I die, I wanna use my mind to do something great. Christianity didnt have what I was looking for.

I love religion and have had gotten great insight from Rabbis, monks, and even Christian clergy, I just cant take all the fools who take the bible too literally and get caught up in the fairy tale.

Anyone here with me in wanting to see things how they are, not some fairy tale picture that isnt true?


Aye, I am with you with all my heart, Jrod. This is one subject I am firm on, is that all religion, including Christianity is a simple fairy tale, drawn out far too deeply. I believe that eventually humanity will cast out it's old premonitions and primitive mediums and begin to advance to a greater age, for all life. Humanity is too great to be wasted away on an organization.

[edit on 27-6-2004 by iceofspades]



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 07:44 PM
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Religion, in my mind is the biggest thing holding mankind back from advancing into the future, all through history Religions have held mankind back, eg no education except from the church and the very few who where educated and learnt to read were taught that the way of God etc is the way that things are and NOTHING else can go against it, else you are declared an "unbeliever" and killed/imprisioned.

Reilgion in my mind, is simply an excuse or a way for a person to explain away something which they do not understand, it comforts them and blinds them from looking for a more logical answer to something. Anything other than this scares them because they fear the unknown and will do anything to stay within there "Comfort"

Over the past 100/200 years western society has become less obbessed with reilgion and look at how quickly technology has advanced, simply because we aren't held back anymore by stuff such as reilgion.

Look at society's in the middle east, Whist yes, I know its the thing at the moment to bash the area and yes we may be a bit to blame for the mess over there. But look at it, Governments are controlled by reilgion, Law is based on reilgious teaching and again if you speak out against the state reilgion you are again labeled an unbeliever, imprisioned/beaten/killed. They are constantly stuck in the 7th century, save for a few bits of techonolgy, which are products of the western world.

So yes, I feel that Reilgion is holding us back as a race and the sooner we remove it, the better.



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 08:21 PM
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Jrod, I tend to agree ith you about organzied religion in general.(I'm sure there are exceptions, as in everything.)
I think religions were created to control the populations, starting with the ancient religions. I think back when, religions were a way to control an uneducated and supersitious people.
During the Middle Ages, trhe Catholic Church hoarded knowledge and now it and other religions feel they can determine how much and which knowledge we may know.
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Badkitty, you are a good kitty...thanks for the deist link



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 08:27 PM
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If Christianity was actually created to "control the population," it isn't doing a very good job of it, judging from the viewpoints posted on this board.

Has anyone noticed that societies in which Christianity is the dominant religion are the most technologically advanced? That the citizens are treated more humanely?

Or does so much thinking hurt one's brain?

www.onealclan.com



posted on Jun, 27 2004 @ 08:59 PM
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Every good Christian family ive known has been a good family. The community of the church is awesome and Im sure not just Christianity teaches good morals to society. It is lone wolfes who are wrong in their views yet smart wnough to make their ideals sound righteous to the weaker ones is the problem; hatred, jealousy, greed of money and power can corrupt me, and im sure many others.

Many Catholics are trying to clean up their church, and I think it is a great lesson in history and humanity of how crooked you can expect others to be when so much money and power is at stake. The one thing that sets it appart from the rest is the Pope is supposed to have a linkage of friends directly to Christ, loosing that link could be fatal.

Radical Islam is fueled by angry people who do not want foreign entrepreneurs take over their land. Some teach the Koran and nothing else. Islam as a religous movement has contributed greatly to mathematics and architecture. It has roots to our civilization as we know it.

Its not that the tales that are taught in Sunday school are leading people into blindness, it is the self righteous extremist who do the damage by taking good moral filled tale and twisting it into a dark fanatasy.

Some find peace and harmony with the message of the church and thats all they need, I like the message but i see so much hate and phobias that are a result of the church. Religious people have atheist tell them how foolish and worse they are for their faith, and non-Religious people and certain "bad" groups have to put up with religous dogma.

Religion, humanities, philosophy and history are all so close. Its like on one side we have Math and logic holding all the sciences together, and on the other artsy side we have all kinds of ways to express yourself with so many going off the wall and making it a bad thing.

Another thing Ive noticed is that faithful church goers are happier with life than a lot of others. Depression is not fun and neither is taking pills and drugs to hide it.

We are past the time when religion holds science back, now only human error, the will to do it, and money hold it back.



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 12:04 AM
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Im convinced ive responded tot his question before, and Im almost certain that alot of people know my belief on the subject if theyve ever engaged in the conversation with me.

...yes.



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 12:24 AM
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Maybe I shoulda asked why does it still keep people in the dark. You really gotta be stupid to get caught up in one of those cults, I feel bad for children born with stupid parents, there just no excuse that a large number of people will go along with non-sence.

When an overly religious person/group is asking, practically begging you for your money and you dont know what they're doing with it you have to question them. Scaming people over the tithe law is wrong.



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 12:44 AM
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Jrod...you know what...I know how you feel.

Personally, I think the scariest cult of all is the cult called community churches!!!!!!!!!

But thats just me.

Why do they keep people in the dark? Because theyd much rather be the only light.



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 01:56 AM
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Christianity holding back the progress of mankind??? Is this the Catholic Church that executed Socrates of charges of "corrupting the youth"? No, it`s the polititians and sophists in power at the time. Was it the Church that made a pariah out of Zarathustra? No, it was a large part of the people and scribes. Was it the Church that terribly ripped off, misinterpreted and turned Karl Marx's historic materialism theory (that`s probably more brillant than Einstein`s theory of relativity) into somekind of sterile political dogma? No, it`s both socialists and capitalists of the modern world that made that. Da Vinci and Copernic were rejected and misunderstood because their creations or theories were radically departing from the dominant conceptions and system of knowledge of their times. They were just as anachronists as the painter Jeronimus Bosch was in this same period.

There's been at many times in history forces of authority which keep the most brillant people from advancing in their works and bringing it as a contribution to mankind, but taht doesn't have anything to do with religion... These are only forces of authority. Man creating prisons for man. Humans controlling the lives of other humans, erroneously thinking that they have Justice and legitimity to do so! The problem is about CONTROL, social control... it's not about Faith.

You can believe what you want, and you`ve got all the rest of your lifetime to make up your mind about Faith in the Lord. Remember that God loves his childrens, and you will always be welcomed back if you happen to go see somewhere else.



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