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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by wayno
It's just yet another of a increasing number of poorly researched, emotioal venting threads that really offer nothing particuarly informative or factual, based on a video that doesn't substantiate any of the conclusions in a conclusive fact driven way.
There appears to be a lot of humiliation, grief, pain and just downright wrongness in this video
Originally posted by TechUnique
Your right. BUT I do not agree with execution in any way shape or form. If someone has committed a dreadful crime then let them rot in solitary confinement thinking about it. That is more punishment than being executed humanely, although I'm sure the burning is worse I'd rather be locked up the rest of my life to think about my actions so my soul can actually learn from what I've done wrong. If you are burnt to death then I'm sure there is not much thinking other than "HOLY COW I'M ON FIRE" and then I'm sure the soul will not have learnt and will just carry on being angry and committing bad acts.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
What police say ultimately has to be proven or disproven in a court of law.
By Dr. Sarah Kinyanjui (article in 'Tribal Law Journal', available online)
The author examines traditional applications of restorative justice values in pre-colonial times within Kenyan villages of Kamba, Kikuyu and Meru. Dr. Kinyanjui uses a genealogy framework, rather than simple historical accounts to analyze how restorative justice have been objectified and accepted in Kenyan communities to resolve criminal actions between offenders and victims. This methodology includes interviews from tribal elders and research of archived literature of each community. Dr. Kinyanjui analyzes the three unique justice systems within each village, their practices and responses to criminal offenders to achieve societal harmony and govern deviant conduct. In this article, restorative justice is offered as a response to crime by incorporating traditional values of penal practices to preserve group cohesiveness, rather than modern retributive criminal systems that single out individuals.
Court Upholds Tribal Law Over Kenya Widow's Wish (LA Times)
May 17, 1987 - Associated Press NAIROBI, Kenya — Kenya's highest court has upheld tribal law over Western life styles and ordered that a prominent lawyer's body be buried by his brother and their clan over the objections of the lawyer's widow.
Judge J.O. Nyarangi on Friday ended the five-month legal battle over the remains of Sylvano M. Otieno by dismissing Virginia Wambui Otieno's arguments that she and her husband, who was a member of the Luo tribe, were Christians who lived a Western life style.
In late May, news outlets in Kenya told the story of 15 people, mostly elderly women, who were murdered in a witch hunt near the town of Kisii. The killings shocked the nation. Villagers said more than 100 people gathered machetes and knives and stormed the village of Kegogi after midnight.
"They started banging on the doors, they broke into the house and then they killed our grandmother inside," says Justus Bosire. "The mob was screaming and we panicked. We ran away and they came to our house and burned it to the ground."
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by TechUnique
Africa remains a terribly corrupt place, where local war lords, tribal leaders, and corrupt politicians frequently sell the vital resources of the people for their own gain.
Maintaining their political power which is tribal based is often based on eliminating and depopulating other tribes through violent means.
Vital resources like oil, gold, diamonds, ores and other precious stones and minerals often can only be gotten at by displacing a tribe that dwells on top of them by violently murdering them or running them off.
Shell Oil's murders and atrocities in Africa are so henious it led to me selling my car and buying a bicycle as I refuse to give any oil company a dime of my money to reward their murderous practices.
Politicians and corrupt corporations have a million reasons to hide the real motive for their murders and thuggery, and strong arm tactics, and manipulating superstitions and emotions to get duped people to then do their dirty work is often a preferred tactic to distance them as the real hand that pulled the trigger.
Green fuel like that will not burn hot enough or long enough to create a fire sufficient to kill a human being.
So it simply wasn't a premediated attempt to execute anyone for any reason.
Flash fires don't actually produce the kind of prolonged or sustained heat that does anything more than at best singe the skin.
Quick burning leaves are flash fires, and the green branches the leaves are attached to are to wet inside from tree sap to actually burn in any sustained way.
If you went to a magic store and purchased magicians flash paper and place a piece of that paper anywhere on your body (except the hair on your head) and lit it on fire it would burn identical to those leaves and not even cause any pain or damage and at best would singe body hair.
Or as some circus performers do, you could take a slighlty watered down version of Isopropyl Alcohol and put it in a mist bottle and spay it onto a person while setting it alight at the same time, and once again it would not burn the person or cause them pain. The fire itself would look impressive and potentially deadly, but delivered in those brief flashes it can't superheat the skin enough to cause damage.
Even if they had managed to get a real fire going, over that wide of an expanse to encompass four people they would have simply kept running out of it, and eventually would have ended up catching the clothes and hair of the people that kept pushing them back into it on fire.
One of the reasons that magicians like to work with fire is because of it's illusionary elements. Most people fear it and respect it, and aren't familiar with how it interacts with the body in various delivery systems.
There are even fetishists who play with flash fire delivery systems for sexual stimulation and erotic art entertainment, because of how scary it looks but how harmless it can actually be actually ending up just delivering something akin to a hot breeze on the skin.
Without a real context of what was really going on, I am doubtful about what was really going on, but no way did anyone die in that video, and in the hot African sun, that crowd would have tired of their voisterous antics long before they managed to produce an inferno capable of killing anyone that way.
Had I posted the thread I would have billed it as "Really lame and amatuer attempt to burn people (funny must see)"
Now for the real bad news, the management at the coloseum will not book any future acts promising human death by your performance troop!
There is talk of a law suit to recover sums you might have been paid in the staging of this production.
People do not come to the Coloseum for Comedy, please keep that in mind for the future.
Thanks,
Management
edit on 26/10/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler because: spelling
Originally posted by randomname
reply to post by TechUnique
no you appear to be a drug addict, dabbling in delusion and eastern spiritualism. you should stop and find better things to do with your time before you go insane. im talking about real evil witches and sorcerers who use evil spirits to damage people. but since i've been warned already by a moderator who appears to be an occult and witch sympathizer i can't comment on what should be done to these people.
no you appear to be a drug addict
dabbling in delusion and eastern spiritualism.
you should stop and find better things to do with your time before you go insane.
Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
It's sad to see this happening today. This is what Christian Churches teach people. Puff the Religion of Peace my but!
Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
reply to post by FraternitasSaturni
Why is money green? "go"? You need to speak up like a big boy now! Judaism to me is truth. Not a Sunday morning ride to Church or a typical lunch at McDonalds.
Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
It's sad to see this happening today. This is what Christian Churches teach people. Puff the Religion of Peace my but!
Originally posted by TechUnique
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
After reading through your comments and watching the video I have to say that you have convinced me that there is just as much chance of this being with the peoples permission as there is it being non-consensual. You have also claimed a lot of interesting things which seem to be true after a quick google search.
So we have established that this video might not actually correlate with how the video is being described. (After 21 pages of religious spam..)
Seeing as we cannot use this video anymore, I dug out this article about Deadly hunt for 'witches' in Kenya.
In late May, news outlets in Kenya told the story of 15 people, mostly elderly women, who were murdered in a witch hunt near the town of Kisii. The killings shocked the nation. Villagers said more than 100 people gathered machetes and knives and stormed the village of Kegogi after midnight.
"They started banging on the doors, they broke into the house and then they killed our grandmother inside," says Justus Bosire. "The mob was screaming and we panicked. We ran away and they came to our house and burned it to the ground."
I don't believe this article says anything about burning a person (Only their house) but as you can see it talks about some very brutal acts on another persons body which lead to their death. All it seems without a fair right of trial and justice. This is apparently because the grandmother was a witch. Or maybe because of what you were saying earlier (Resources, land and such) so some corporation spread the witch baloney. But to me, this seems more likely a case of witch hunting. There is definitely something going on here regardless of whether or not it was actually about witches.
What do you have to say about this article Proto?
Cheers,
-Tech
edit on 26/10/2010 by TechUnique because: (no reason given)