George W. Bush Reveals His Biggest Failure Was Not Privatizing Social Security, page 2
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reply posted on 23-10-2010 @ 09:24 PM by justadood
reply to post by neo96



your constant attempts to portray 'the government' as a bogieman make me chortle.

The government is merely an extension of the people. you claim to want to live free of government control, and yet chose to live under the comfort of a functioning government.


hmmmmm


is that not like a spoiled teenager complaining about his parents from under their roof?
edit on 23-10-2010 by justadood because: sperring



reply posted on 23-10-2010 @ 09:30 PM by neo96
reply to post by justadood



well if more people relied less on government where would this country be right now?

the government is not the alpha and omega of things in this country nor the world.

youve read the constitution and youve seen our money where does it say anywhere in this country:

" in government we trust"

nowhere.

man follow ats terms and conditions and make your posts about the content of what the poster is saying. NOT THE POSTER.

if you cant do that dont expect me to respond to the troll and hack attempts


reply posted on 23-10-2010 @ 09:34 PM by marg6043
reply to post by iamcamouflage



He could not do it, because the elderly was going to hang him

actually when he took the road to promote his privatization he was received with scorn so he had to stop.

With the state of the economy right now and the collapse I wounder how bad would have affected a privatized SS.

But then again the biggest bider for the SS privatization was China.



reply posted on 23-10-2010 @ 09:51 PM by hinky
reply to post by iamcamouflage



I've gained back everything and then some, with my 401 and stocks, since the market collapse. I think SS should have been privatized years ago. It would be in far better shape financially than now. Only problem would be to keep the damn politicians hands off the money.

The real problem with privatizing SS is there would probably be money tied in with housing bust right now with either bad bonds or derivatives being bought with surplus money. Even so, it would still be better than the pile of IOU's from the government


reply posted on 23-10-2010 @ 09:58 PM by marg6043
reply to post by hinky



The problem is that you just will change government handed SS for Private handling, still companies are there to make money and profits not to give hand outs.

So by the time the private companies pay themselves the government and whomever I wonder how much will be left for the tax payer and SS holder.


reply posted on 23-10-2010 @ 11:04 PM by iamcamouflage
Originally posted by hinky
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post by iamcamouflage



I've gained back everything and then some, with my 401 and stocks, since the market collapse. I think SS should have been privatized years ago. It would be in far better shape financially than now. Only problem would be to keep the damn politicians hands off the money.

The real problem with privatizing SS is there would probably be money tied in with housing bust right now with either bad bonds or derivatives being bought with surplus money. Even so, it would still be better than the pile of IOU's from the government


I'm sure you have gained back, and I wont assume your age but if your young a loss is not a problem. The problems come to the people who are/were on the cusp of retirement during this collapse. Anyone who was scheduled to retire in 2008 through 2009, lost a ton on 401ks.

I wont sit here and pretend like i have all the answers, no one does. But a safety net for people when they reach a retirement age is necessary. As many have pointed out, if you dont provide that safety net, you will end up paying to support them in much less efficient ways.
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reply posted on 26-10-2010 @ 01:12 PM by Pervius
You can not have 70 million baby boomers on Social Security and Medicare, another 900,000 on Social security disability, 50 million on food stamps, 3 million Federal Employees/military/government/contractors, 45 million illegals getting section 8/free healthcare/free school for their kids. 7 million on Veterans Affairs rolls....

And have less than 50 million Americans working in the Private sector to support the free loaders.

If any of you read the "HealthCare Bill" Obama and Congress passed you would have read the sentence:

"It is the sense of Congress that the funds created by this Act by reserved for Social Security"

The new mandatory Federal Tax called Obamacare is meant to fund Social Security and the Federal Liabilities. Not give anyone healthcare.


The sentence I quoted has since been removed from the "Healthcare Bill" Congress passed without reading. Too late, hundreds of thousands of us read it. Russia read it. China read it. The only people that didn't read it was the majority of America, and the CongressCritters that signed it off. They refuse to face the fact there is no way we can fund a hyper welfare State. They even went so low as to enslave Americans with the new mandatory enslavement tax in 2014.....ObamaCare. It was their only way to even keep the Federal Govt. going.

There is not 1 penny in the Social Security Trust Fund. Congress spent the $2.5 Trillion that was in there over the years when the Democrats moved it to the General Fund.
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reply posted on 26-10-2010 @ 01:34 PM by ExPostFacto
reply to post by NewlyAwakened



This is a great point and way to go in thinking outside the box. Poor are poor no matter the age. If anything we should all pay some type of social tax and then when we need to put a roof over our head, or eat we can. You are right all of these silly programs can be rolled into one and we could all benefit if ever needed whether it be unemployment, a disability, or old age.


reply posted on 26-10-2010 @ 02:10 PM by dolphinfan
reply to post by iamcamouflage



Bushs is correct in saying that his failure to privatize Social Security was his biggest failure. Its the biggest failure of the past 5 presidents.

The government plays upon fear to insist that they need to provide for a full-service retirement plan when their true objective is to take in your hard earned money and use it for useless nonsense and engage in a Ponzi scheme. Were a private company to do what the government has done with SS, they would be guilty of fraud. Our politicians have been bemoaning the fact that the feds "raid" social security for 30 years, yet for some reason they seem unwilling to pass laws which specifically prohibit the government from tapping into the fund. They talk about the "lock box" but somehow they never seem to be able to develop and implement a key. Why is that? Its because they are invested in the shell game of bogus accounting that fund ear-marks so desired by their corporate and pressure group pals.

Now the government is taking a serious look at taking over your 401K and pension assets. Why? One reason is that the left in this government does not believe in private property. Second is that, believing in equal outcomes rather than equal opportunity they wish to level the field, once again taking away from the responsible and giving to the irresponsible. Third, they simply want more cash to fund useless programs.

For those who think that folks are too stupid to manage their own affairs and with the system made private there would be folks languishing in the street and American cities would look like Calcutta, quit taking swigs of fear cocktail. Its nonsense and privatizing social security while providing a minimum standard of living for the poor are not mutually exclusive.

Should you want to get a better understanding of how this could and should work, do a bit of reading on Australia's Superrannuation system. Employers are required to submit 9% of wages into a private account that is managed by the individual. You get a job and you provide your employer with two account numbers. One for your superannunation funds to be deposited and one for your pay to be deposited. The government provides regulatory oversight into the types of vehicles in which superannunation funds can be invested, but it is a far more liberal policy than ERISA in the States. The Australians also provide some basic level of support for those who have either blown their superannunation funds or have been structurally unemployed. Sydney and Melborne certainly don't look like Calcutta.

The result? Folks have more control over their destiny. The government can not be tempted to access these asset for other purposes because they don't have control over them. Folks make it their business to gain a better understanding of economics and investing and there are folks who, by being smart or by choosing a quality investment advisor are leaving civil service jobs, like the Australian Postal Workers rich. There is a new, large industry geared at educating Australians about their plans and investing. The oversight over investment advisors has been strengthened. Superannuation has saved the Australian government an estimated $3 Trillion USD. When was it instituted? 1992.

There is time to turn this around. It will take a couple of things - leaders with courage and folks to let go of the fear and trust themselves.

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