WikiLeaks Iraq files reveal torture [VIDEO] FRAGO 242

Do you really think there is any evidence of tortour without a video of it???????

Get real!

reply to post by thecinic

yes... i believe that pentagon reports of torture are valid.

None of this is news. Civilians getting tortured/killed has always been a part of war. Hopefully now that people are finding out about it something can finally be done although not likely.

"War. War never changes."

reply to post by HunkaHunka

Is anyone else disgusted by the fact that, as someone earlier mentioned in this thread, no one seems to be that shocked by the content of these files?
As so eloquently put by the other member "in the 60's, if this info came out, people would have been rioting in the streets"
What is up with the lack of coverage and lack of response to this???
FYI, all non-conspiracy people I know and have spoken to about this, had no idea that files were even leaked about the Afghan war, never mind the Iraq war.

reply to post by HunkaHunka

Is anyone else disgusted by the fact that, as someone earlier mentioned in this thread, no one seems to be that shocked by the content of these files?
As so eloquently put by the other member "in the 60's, if this info came out, people would have been rioting in the streets"
What is up with the lack of coverage and lack of response to this???
FYI, all non-conspiracy people I know and have spoken to about this, had no idea that files were even leaked about the Afghan war, never mind the Iraq war.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
reply to post by CanuckCoder

 

You obviously haven't read a thing I've typed....


Once again, this is not about the troops.... It is not about them at all....

It's about FRAGO 242!!!!!!!!!!!

The troops didn't make that order.... Our gov did.... An order not to do anything when encountering it.

Keep in mind that detainees were threatened with and turned over to torture squads of Iraqi police....

Yes I am righteous enough to say that whoever signed that order should be tried for war crimes....

This isn't about stress or fog of war, but of systematic torture ordered by the US gov in the form of the Bush administration

edit on 25-10-2010 by HunkaHunka because: (no reason given)

Systematic Torture? Wow, you certainly have a way of making what's written sound worse. The US turned a blind eye (actually they reported what they saw, far from blind eyes imo), because Iraq is supposed to be sovereign. Although most think the USA is the world's police, they are not. What Iraq does to its own people is the responsibility of the Iraqi Leadership. They should be punished, the USA should be doing what they are doing which is report it. The US government should be reporting those reports to the UN and NATO and ensure that whatever crimes are committed are properly reported and prosecuted. Do we know for a fact this was not reported to the UN or NATO? Do we know for a fact that the USA was ignoring this and attempting to bury it? Maybe they were waiting for stability in Iraq before prosecuting the only leadership they had? You have no clue about the symantecs of war and politics to Judge, so why do you judge?

Its all black and white to you but war is never that simple, neither is politics.

Fact is soldiers reported the problems and did what international law implies. Should the UN be responsible for Darfur because they didn't stop the genocide but only reported it? Should the UN be responsible for Cambodia's genocide because all they did was report it?

This is standard procedure and your anger and resentment of this policy proves how ignorant you are of the international laws and how countries react towards other countries that go against human rights.

Why not face facts. Your Anti-USA and anything that can be made to show the US in a bad light is something you will push in everyones face to back up your feelings. Thats where your problem lies, your too invested emotionally to really get to the truth of all this, like many others in this topic.

reply to post by CanuckCoder


No the US not only turned a blind eye... they threatened the detainees with being delivered to the wolf battalion, and then subsequently made good on that purpose.

They also went on raids WITH the wolf battalion, each time allowing the WB to do the torture...

This is a lot more than simply turning a blind eye... this is systematic because it was part of the interrogation process

It is the biggest leak of military secrets in history. Al Jazeera has details of nearly 400,000 classified US documents. They are the secret Iraq files, leaked to whistleblower website WikiLeaks.