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This experiment is more important than anything happening at the LHC

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posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 03:26 PM
I always wonder, that if we live in a non-local, holographic universe, whether the evolutionary process isn't also non-local and holographic, in other words that information exchange occurs across the entire spectrum of all being and becoming, thus implying that our existence as human beings here on earth, at the apex of the various "kingdoms", also places us in a unique position within an overall cosmological evvolutionary framework, or, to clarify further, that being the most recent addition to the evolutionary process here on earth, that we are also the "crown" of all creation ie: the last shall be first, and the first, last.

Thus, while other advanced civilizations in our galaxy or universe may be more advanced, technologically, socially, morally or spiritually or in all ways systemically, we as human beings, in terms of our physical evolution ie: our bicameral brain, nervous system, etc., are the "cream of the crop".

Just a thought..

posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 03:28 PM
reply to post by Frakkerface

I don't understand this

Ha, ha! Don't feel bad, my friend. I have no idea what they're talking about either, but I think the implications are that life is an illusion; which will then pose the question: who's directing this movie of our lives?

posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 03:34 PM
reply to post by bluemooone2

That would imply, that whatever we brought into being, or made real by observing it only became so, because of us...we create whatever we look upon..unless someone else who had existed, had already brought whatever it is into existence by observing it.

Wouldn't that mean there are areas of 'nothing' (and what's nothing?!) on and off this world, because no human, or animal, had observed them before?

What about all life though? We couldn't just limit the 'reality through observing' just to humans...animals function in their surroundings, so they must have created their surroundings by looking at them. This could apply to all life...from Blue Whales to Bacteria.

Your hypothesis dovetails in with the 'hologram' one, because the hologram would be activated at the moment of observance.

posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 03:57 PM
I noticed a lot of people having trouble understanding the significance and meaning if holographic in reference to the universe so I am going to try and explain it as best as I can while using my cell phone (sorry for typos)

1: holograms
A hologram works by using a having the interference patterns of two or more waves intersect off an object bounces and give rise to the illusion of a 3rd object. Thus a 2D object can give rise to a 3D one. What is interesting is that also if u take a piece of a hologram it will still contain the information needed to create the full hologram. Also changing the angle the of striking the object can change the interference pattern thus allowing for more information to be stored in a single object.

2. Human brain/vision
The human brain processes the visual sense in a similar internal holographic way. The eyes take in light which if a hologram are complex interference patterns that the brain the converts into simple waveforms using fourier waveforms. Basicly converting complex holographic image reality into simple fourier waveforms for the brain to interpret.

It has been speculated that memory is a process that the brain arises with by using holography in it's storage of memory. Like a hologram removing a piece won't necessarily remove said memories/information and it would also explain why it can have such massive storage in relatively small spaces and why certain memories/experiances trigger others because like a hologram certain memories are emeshed together in a holographic way.

If this proves to be true than it's the greatest realization in history. The ancient truths were right all along and even "objective reality" and the world around us is only really a symphony of resonating waveforms in a domain of frequencies that are transformed into what we perceive as reality when they enter our "Avatar" bodies and are created internally into a hologram we call reality. We are all really just energy and thoughts floating in a sea of possibilities. The greatest esoteric teaching of the ages would be proven real once more

posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 04:02 PM

Originally posted by midnightbrigade
What a bunch of crap science...put your hand on your keyboard...then slide it down to your desk...feel the drop? that's 3 dimensions my friends.

hahaha, wow. I almost feel bad for you.
Why do you bother wasting your two cents in these threads when you can't even grasp the most basic of concepts? And providing examples?! The nerve hahah!

Start with these:


And learn to differentiate them, then (if successful) come back and contribute something other than "bunch of crap science"

posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 04:47 PM
reply to post by NightGypsy

If proven, it will be the death knell for the staunchly atheistic, Materialist Monist (matter is primary) viewpoint and will affirm what some call the Monistic Idealist (consciousness is primary) viewpoint, which just happens to be in alignment with all the ancient wisdom and mystical traditions.

They (the materialists) still haven't caught up with Bell's Theorem, let alone the notion of a holographic universe and holographic mind, which would mean that our mind is as much represented in the universe as the universe is in our mind ie: not just in your scull.
edit on 23-10-2010 by NewAgeMan because: spelling

edit on 23-10-2010 by NewAgeMan because: spelling again, need to spellcheck better before posting

posted on Oct, 23 2010 @ 06:59 PM
reply to post by unfor54k3n

thanks alot, troll up there didnt belive me that the superstring is very, very old...

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 01:27 AM
for what I think I understand : depth and time have effectively a very close relation because light is bouncing of the object to reach our eyes, it takes time for that light to reach our eyes : much time = much depth, very little time means very little depth ...
so, it takes time for the light to travel from a very far star till our eyes ..... now I try to understand our 3D world would only be a illusion as light travels no ?
how could light travel in a 2D ? then it should be in a straight way, in a flat way where only distances between 2 points would be reality but we wouldn't see distances then .... we should be living on a paper sheet / brane ???
this would mean time would still exist in that 2D because light also would need to travel from one point on that sheet to the other point ( my eye ... ) but I wouldn't be aware of objects or distances to them, I wouldn't see the objects like objects, I would only see light-points all over the plane surface coming to me .....
The only way I possibly would see other lights from far away would be if that sheet of paper is fold like a U, then I would see the light coming from the other branch of the U - this would give me a illusion of depth even if I live on a 2D sheet of paper ...
so, surely maybe all this thinking of me is just bullsh..t, but is it possible we live on a 2D but infinite folded or vibrating sheet of paper reality where we see things because we see the light coming also from the other folded part of that 2D sheet ?? ( something like a wormhole between folded parts of 2D U sheet of paper ) ???
if this is folded in a infinite way this could be called HOLOGRAM no ???

I like the way thinking we just live in a 1D point dimension, a oneness of Universe, just don't know how to imagine all the "mechanics" of this .....

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 01:35 AM
Sounds like a huge waste of taxpayers dollars, how much of the healthcare bill money did they get?

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 01:39 AM

Originally posted by i am just saying
Sounds like a huge waste of taxpayers dollars, how much of the healthcare bill money did they get?

Really? it's stuff like this that we need to put more money into! More money into creating new technology to help the world, more money into finding out more about our universe. And Less money towards war.

Imagine what all the money used in war could have done if we put it towards creating a better world.

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 01:58 AM
reply to post by spikey

Nice thinking !!
I also think that way and told it long times ago : we NEVER touch something : the electrons circling around the atoms ( how to say it otherwise ? ) of our fingers create a force and repel the electrons of the atoms of the keyboard or anything else !!! the touch we feel is the force of the electron/electron repulsion between the 2 objects.
We do feel electromagnetic FIELDS !!!!!
Objects in fact do NOT exist, only EM clusters and fields composed by millions of atoms together, but we SEE them as objects when light is bouncing on them.
Very very nice thinking are all those theories, but when you try to think about all this, and reading about, mind because time doesn't exist any longer then ( lol ) and it's getting very very late at night without you realising it !!!

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 02:13 AM
reply to post by muzzleflash
You know this is a thought some believe, like in the movie the sphere, we never left the Singulirty, all is a illusion.
The one still sits unmoved, we are just a 3D dream, of sorts.

edit on 24-10-2010 by googolplex because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 02:35 AM
Hey, if they keep adding more memory this thing could go on for ever, we will never get a answer at the end, and then they will up grade the system again and add mor pixels.

Everything is waves, how does the sound waves work in holographic, the 4th dimesion would be easy in holo, a 3rd dimensional object moving in a 3 dimensional hologram, that would work.
If the mind is a internal 5th dimensional fuction , I don't see how that would work, that would have to be a sub routine of some sort.

The Singularity is coming to earth any how, how many googolbytes will that need.

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 02:43 AM
reply to post by Matrix Rising

This thread is intriguing, to say the least, but suffice it to say, that if we are all "One" as you imply, the task of "awakening" to this fact is the most important task any of us can undertake.

Creating a polar opposite allows for a "matrix" to form in between, which creates "Two." This "Two" in number divisible by itself always equals "One." So the division is the "means," to the "end" or beginning, which is eternity.

All things on this third-plane of existence is bound by an underlying "foam" which everything "floats." I for one, will not play "the game" or be divided by polarized ends. I know the truth, which is everything more than the sum of the parts, which have been cleverly placed through the ages as breadcrumbs for the masses to assimilate and use to pass their time evaluating.

This knowledge is ALWAYS available to anyone who hears the voice which no one has ever heard. Free-will to believe in nothing which is incomplete does not constitute faith. but only confirms the fact that reprovement is necessary, and the cycles begin, again, until it is stopped.

Nothing in the universe is "hidden" but only invisible temporarily until light is shone unto it. In reality, there is no negative polarization, but only a positive-flow of energy that cycles around in circular fashion. The misconception of negativity exists at the point of the event horizon and only appears to be a negative pole. But it is not.

It may appear the cycle is finished, except for one last endeavor. When the mass-ego is aware and singular exposition is removed, the manifest destiny of creation will be complete. God created mankind in his own image, right? Take this a step further in the inference and all is very clear and apparent.

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 03:46 AM
reply to post by Matrix Rising
Hi Matrix Rising,

Thank you for posting about The Holometer. I'm am excited to see what the results of the readings are. It sure could take us far in the foundational understanding of who we are.

In the meantime it's time for some music. Star

edit on 24-10-2010 by Antoniastar because: I boo-boo-ed.

posted on Oct, 24 2010 @ 04:32 AM

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by NightGypsy

If proven, it will be the death knell for the staunchly atheistic, Materialist Monist (matter is primary) viewpoint and will affirm what some call the Monistic Idealist (consciousness is primary) viewpoint, which just happens to be in alignment with all the ancient wisdom and mystical traditions.

Not in the slightest.

The experiment is a great example of the power of theoretical and experimental physics. It is intending to discern whether an very unusual property of quantum mechanics is, in fact, even more unusual. There is no bafflegab mumbo-jumbo---there are specific theories which predict physically observable effects, and these effects have deep importance in the underlying laws of motion & particle behavior.

No philosopher EVER thought of something as weird and as specific as quantum mechanics (thought the Christological discussions of the 3rd through 6th centuries come close, and the orthodox interpretation happens to be the least sensible of the selection).

If this experiment shows a positive result, it means that quantum mechanics is even weirder than previously believed. And it is all about materialist equations of motion.

The essential mystery of QM is that the state evolution happens in an infinite dimensional Hilbert space (space of functions not space of x,y,z space) which is is impossible to be intuitive to humans. This holographic universe theory concerns the proper representation of that space.

posted on Oct, 25 2010 @ 01:13 AM
I recently finished reading "The Self Aware Universe" by Amit Gotswami, physicist. In it, he posits the idea that consciousness, not matter is primary, and then goes on to explain how this is so by the various interpretations of quantum physics, and it seems to hold water. He refers to it as "Monistic Idealism" whereby consciousness is primary, as opposed to the typical "Materialist Monism" (matter is primary) which has been the predominant model or paradigm within which science is done.

It really turns everything we thought we knew about the world, right on its head.

The most fascinating viewpoint and scientific hypothesis he offers imo, is that of the human mind functioning in this type of holographic, self aware universal framework, for which he puts forward a VERY compelling argument, that the human mind/brain is a twofold system, with BOTH classical elements AND quantum mechanical, and it is this interpretation which explains how "we" can function simulaneously in more than one dimension of existence.

The brain then becomes just a part of the larger Akashic Field of the entire self aware universe, a sphere within a sphere or a "chip off the old block" as they say.

The implication of this, is what while brain may act as a classical recording system, elbeit of immense complexity, that it is also a type of quantum physical bridge of sorts, wherein what we call "free will" is available, but only in so far as we utilize our quantum mind by opening up to increasingly vast realms of possibility and then, through choice, collapsing the wave of probability in a creative action of some kind, or in other words by choosing a novel outcome. The classical mind is a conditioned mind comprised of nothing but learned behaviors, and it has a role to play, but the quantum mind is something else altogether more powerful, and more mysterious.

The quantum mind is also a conduit of information exchange between our "selves" and the Akashic Field or Zero Point Field which contains all infomation, being fully informed from eternity to eternity, adn thus, there is no such thing as "death" in a quantum holographic universe wherein everything is stored, all that's "fruitful" maybe.. at the very least.

just thinking out loud..

posted on Oct, 26 2010 @ 10:51 PM
A theory has been advanced that our reality is nothing more than the result of a computer simulation. In much the same way as the "Sims". Think of the particles that make up the known universe as digital information. Look at how rapid our computer technology advances. In a short time our computer simulations have almost rivaled "reality". What will our simulations look like in 100 years? 1,000? The creator may be nothing more than a computer programmer at the helm of some advanced alien super-computer whereby the manipulation of sub-atomic particles is as easy as making a keystroke. The proof could possibly be found by searching for a glitch. Any place where the laws of physics break down. A black hole for instance. Theoretically, simultaneous observations from within the event horizon, and at a distance would show different realities at the same time. Einstein said that nothing can exceed the speed of light, and not even light can escape the gravity of a black hole, but evidence is now showing that it may be possible for information to go beyond the speed of light. Even backwards in time. A device capable of this phenomenon could be sent into a black hole to transmit it's observations in real time (providing it survives) to an observer at a safe distance. Comparing the data from both simultaneous observations may reveal oddities never before thought of.

edit on 26-10-2010 by wizardseye because: Added more information.

posted on Oct, 28 2010 @ 05:06 PM
It is what it is. The hologram theory has some validity to it. When you consider that , as a Christian, I have concrete evidence that God's word states in the bible, that he knew me before I even existed here on this planet in this universe. The same factual source states that the prophesies of the bible, which to date, all that were to come to pass up to this time in space have come to pass . The interesting reality to parallelism here is that Jesus Christ when we sit down with him to review our lives with us. The bible also states in Romans 8 that we are predestined meaning if we are predestined and God knows us before we got here and what would happen to us while we were here and how we would review it with him for those who call him and accept him as Savior Messiah then yes this life is somewhat of a Hologram . I could be sitting with Jesus right now in the future reviewing this very moment in space in time as if this hologram was a hologram with great mixing then Avatar could ever imagine after all God created the universes. So I am here to tell you Jesus is the way the truth and the life and that Jesus is Lord accepting him into your life and living the life he has set forth for you is our purpose . Accepted Jesus and the Holy Spirit as your gift read his word and start a personal relationship with him to further his kingdom. Jesus loves all of you who seek answer about life and existence and place in time and space and he is and has the answers you seek. God bless you all !

posted on Oct, 29 2010 @ 03:23 PM
I've read this thread when it was first posted and struggle to understand how it might relate to something that my daughter told me when she was three and later expanded on when she was five. One day I was in the kitchen working and my three year old wandered through looking a bit dazed and mumbling "I have a feeling none of this is real. It's just not real. It isn't!". I looked to be sure she was okay and she seemed fine and was back to her usual three year old babbling about Dora the Explorer and stuff like that. I know better than to question a kid that little about their perceptions lest you inadvertently change them by choosing the wrong words. I decided to shelve the observation for future discussion when I felt she would be older and less malleable by the wrong line of questioning.

When she turned five I told her about the incident in the kitchen and asked if she still believed nothing was real. To my shock, I learned in the two years that had passed she had not just held onto the idea but refined it to the point she could articulate it to me. She still insisted we are not real as we appear to ourselves and one another. I touched various things and smacked some things to get sound for emphasis and said how can these things not be real? I reminded her that we hug and that feels real. She just shrugged and said she was quite sure it was not real but that we are real "somewhere" but not "here" where we think we are. She said we are not what we think we are. She asked me if I agreed with her and I told her I do not know. I had my own brush with such ideas when I was that age that I'm not ready to talk about yet. But I told her I would keep an open mind and that I believed that she, being newer in the world, was closer to whatever truths there are about its source than I would be and encouraged her to stay in tune with her intuition.

It is now a year beyond that conversation and she is less firm of her beliefs, but she is also now out in the world of school and material interests more than she ever was. Her hold on whatever she was once attuned to is slipping away to be replaced by interests in parties and friends.

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