Many will abandon faith in the end times.

Instructions to Timothy

1Timothy 4

1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
6 If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed. 7 Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. 8 For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.

9This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance 10(and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.

11Command and teach these things. 12Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity. 13Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching. 14Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through a prophetic message when the body of elders laid their hands on you.

15Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress. 16Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

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etercal waterwave,

That second verse, 1 Tim. 4:2 is the warning one for that is the sad case today with too many. Now is a time to get all things right with Him as has always been the case but today there is so much that pulls away and decieves. Very subtle deceptions everywhere to snare the elect if possible. Jesus, Yahshua made it clear the "way" wouldn't be a "cakewalk". Mt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: When we go through that gate the things of this world are stripped away. The watered down Theology put forth in most places and prosperity soothslayers of today is the "broad way". Timothy went on to say it, 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; We don't need theology, we only have need for the Truth, follow it only, put down all men's theology.

He tells us, "Thy Word Is Truth" Jn.17:17 and then "I Am the Truth the Way and The Life". Jn.14:6 KJV

Truthiron.

Yes, truthiron, let us pray for us and eachother for a good road. Evil loses grip and tries harder.
Some unknown of their actions. Useless bodies vaining doing nothing grasping for grip. It's such a silly business. Thought about it it is nonsense. They do not learn, they are not interested in what the Holy Ghost gives. They just are busy wrong. And it fails time after time, useless pions.

Oh, by the way, in 2 Timothy 2:17-18, the Pharisee Paul condemns as heretics Hymenaeus and Philetus who "claim that the resurrection has already taken place".

This, of course, is in flagrant contradiction of the Gospel of Matthew 27:52-53 which VERY clearly demonstrates that, at the time of the crucifixion, at least some of the followers of Jesus received the revelation of the memories of previous lives; which is one element of the Revelation of the "resurrection". (The language is to be understood in a metaphorical sense inasmuch as there is NO historical record of many people 'coming out of their tombs'. And, if there HAD been any historical record of people 'coming out of their tombs', it would have been used as EVIDENCE to demonstrate that the "resurrection" mean a physical raising of dead bodies from the grave.)

In other words, the Pharisee Paul was the heretic.

And all Christians who believe in the physical raising of dead bodies from the grave are, similarly, heretics.

And it was the immediate followers of Jesus who had actually received the revelation of the memories of previous lives who had Knowledge of the Revelation of the "resurrection"...

As opposed to the Satanic doctrines of Paul.

Michael

Originally posted by Michael Cecil
And all Christians who believe in the physical raising of dead bodies from the grave are, similarly, heretics.

My dictionary (the Concise Oxford) defines heresy as "Opinion contrary to the orthodox doctrine of the Christian Church". In other words, someone who agrees with the orthodox opinion of the Christian Church cannot be a heretic.
For most of Christian history, it would have been understood that only an ecumenical Council of the Church could have enough authority to decide conclusvely that an opinion was heretical. So unless you are an ecumenical Council of the Church in your own right, you don't have that authority. You are the one disagreeing with the Church at large, which is the normal definition of heresy.
You remind me a little of the army cadet whose fond mother was watching him at a parade and was heard to exclaim "Look, they're all out of step except our Johnny."

Originally posted by DISRAELI

Originally posted by Michael Cecil
And all Christians who believe in the physical raising of dead bodies from the grave are, similarly, heretics.

My dictionary (the Concise Oxford) defines heresy as "Opinion contrary to the orthodox doctrine of the Christian Church".

Such a dictionary was, of course, written by heretics or by people who have been paid by heretics to define Christianity as the Truth and any doctrine in opposition to Christian theology as a "heresy".

And, similarly, the thought-control FASCISTS of Wikipedia will NOT allow the Truth about the Doctrine of "resurrection" to be discussed on the topic page devoted to that subject.

In other words, someone who agrees with the orthodox opinion of the Christian Church cannot be a heretic.
For most of Christian history, it would have been understood that only an ecumenical Council of the Church could have enough authority to decide conclusvely that an opinion was heretical. So unless you are an ecumenical Council of the Church in your own right, you don't have that authority.

This was, basically, the same argument employed by the Pharisees and the whole Sanhedrin against Jesus: that, because he contradicted the "conventional wisdom" about the Doctrine of "resurrection", it was Jesus who was in error.

Only one problem with that:

God does not really RESPECT either human 'authorities' or human thoughts--see, for example, the Book of Isaiah Chapter 55--Revealing the Truth to whomsoever He chooses.

And He Revealed the Truth about the "resurrection" to Isaiah, Daniel, Ezekiel and Mohammed in addition to Jesus.

In any case, the Christian theologians have no plausible explanation whatsoever for the Gospel of Matthew Chapter 27:52-53.

Michael

I still have faith that there are no gods, and no demons.
No spirits, no afterlife, no bs.

I have faith we will always have blind, misguided, people.

Originally posted by etherical waterwave
Instructions to Timothy: 1Timothy 4

1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.


4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
6 If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.



7 Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly.
8 For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.

9This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance 10(and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.

11Command and teach these things.
12Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity.
13Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching.
14Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through a prophetic message when the body of elders laid their hands on you.

15Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress.
16Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

#1...indeed, pedophile priests...evangelists caught in sodomy & lascivious affairs....whole congregations of believers taken-to-the-cleaners...many 'wolves' in sheeps clothing....
this item is about the fallen leaders of the Christian faith, not about the multitudes of followers who sin
daily, cheat on taxes, swear at the car that swerved in front of them, etc etc


#2 is continuing in this theme


#3 the marriage bans & food bans... are nothing new...non Catholics had to convert to marry, they have long had a list of edible foodstuffs, ditto for the Jewish tradition

#4-16 is just behavior modification ... mental jargon to reinforce the right-way-of-thinking on the captive congregation



these few paragraphs have no focus point other than #1 about the status of the community in the" latter days"

No heartbreaking threads please.



Is there reason for someone believing in resurruction to be named heretic?
No, there is not. It is christian faith.

When God allows a Son to make work of the power given, there will be no intervention.

'"Straight to the dough"'

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Paul was good but attracted trouble.

sent

Right, St. Udio,

some claryfing of the state of the world this moment

The second beast which rised out of the earth has two horns, just like a lamb, and it talks like a dragon. For the first beast to see it practiced all its power. It forced the earth and all people on it to worship the first beast. It did impressive signs en in front of all people it even made fire come out of the heaven unto earth. It mislead man by the signs it did in front of the first beast. He forced upon the people making a statue, it was given the power making the statue alive for it to speak and for it to kill anyone who didn't worship the beast. Thereof it put for all people, young and old, rich and poor, slaves and free men, a mark on their right hand or on the front of the head. Only people with that mark, meaning the name of the beast or the number of that name could buy or sell something. Also, The first beast was, and is not, and all will be astonished when the first beast is.

About that mark of the second beast, it is for them who are wise to count the number of that man. His number is sixhundredandsixtysix.

Originally posted by etherical waterwave
Is there reason for someone believing in resurruction to be named heretic?
No, there is not. It is christian faith.

The Christian faith turned upside down the Teaching of Jesus on the "resurrection".

That is how I define heresy.

Christians are followers of Paul rather than Jesus.

Michael

Originally posted by etherical waterwave

The second beast which rised out of the earth has two horns, just like a lamb, and it talks like a dragon. For the first beast to see it practiced all its power.

Once again, these passages have an esoteric meaning and a meaning with regards to the space-time reality.

In terms of consciousness, the "first beast"--that is, the "beast of the sea"--is symbolic of the consciousness of the "self", which includes the 'unconscious'; whereas the "second beast"--the "beast of the earth"--is symbolic of the consciousness of the 'thinker'.

Exoterically, the "beast of the sea" is the international political establishment; whereas the "beast of the earth" is the international monotheistic religious establishment.

Additional information about which is found on the website under my signature.

Esoterically, the "dragon" is the duality that arises from the 'movement' of self-reflection, which is the origin of the 'fallen' consciousness or the consciousness of the "self", referred to in Genesis Chapter 3 as the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil", which is opposed to the "Tree of Life", which is symbolic of the Vision of the "Son of man".

Exotericaly, the "dragon" is symbolic of the mainstream, international and Internet print and broadcast media, by which the politicians and the religious 'authorities' propagate their lies and through which they retain their power.

Michael

Originally posted by Michael Cecil
Such a dictionary was, of course, written by heretics or by people who have been paid by heretics to define Christianity as the Truth and any doctrine in opposition to Christian theology as a "heresy".

It was not. It was written by secular lexicographers ("harmless drudges", to quote Samuel Johnson's definition) working on the principle of describing words as they are used in practice.
Since the Christian Church more or less invented the word "heresy" for their own purposes (I believe it goes back to Irenaeus), they are entitled to have some input on what the word actually means.
The word "heresy" means "not the standard view". If you hold an opinion which is not standard, you have the right to argue that heresy is a good thing; but you're not entitled to argue that your view is the standard and everybody else is non-standard.
The orthodox teaching of the Christian church cannot be heresy, because the word heresy, by historic definition, means the opposite. You need to find another word.

Originally posted by Michael Cecil
Exoterically, the "beast of the sea" is the international political establishment; whereas the "beast of the earth" is the international monotheistic religious establishment.

Additional information about which is found on the website under my signature.

Alternatively, have you read the discussion at these two locations?
The Beast from the sea- a World-State
Great leader and antichrist

Originally posted by DISRAELI
The orthodox teaching of the Christian church cannot be heresy, because the word heresy, by historic definition, means the opposite. You need to find another word.

Point taken.

I choose the word "Satanism" or the word "Naziism"...

A perfect example of which, I would suggest, is today's assertion by the Roman church that the Jews are "no longer" the "Chosen people".

This is a flagrant contradiction of Revealed Truth.

And, as Jesus stated, Satan is the "father of lies".

Michael

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That is too far of Michael,

The second beast is also evil, it acompanies the firstbeast. It helps him.

the beast looks like a leopard,with paws of a bear, and a mouth like a lion. with two horns and it talks like a dragon.

the first beast has 7 heads and 10 horns. 10 kings

sewer

Originally posted by etherical waterwave
reply to post by Michael Cecil

 

That is too far of Michael,

?????

The second beast is also evil, it acompanies the firstbeast. It helps him.

The consciousness of the 'thinker' is evil. Look at the doctrines of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim religious 'authorities' that have resulted in the slaughter of how many millions of people over just the past 34 years. And look at all of the weapons of mass destruction created by the scientists and engineers to exterminate human life on this planet. In any case, the consciousness of the 'thinker' also maintains the temporal continuity of the consciousness of the "self" (see the opening passages of the Second Meditation of Descartes, for why this is so important).

Similarly, look at the "beast of the earth" religious 'authorities' of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

They NEVER contradict the goals of the "beast of the sea" politicians.

In fact, they HELP the politicians by providing the theological 'justification' for the horrors of war...

Against Iran, for example.

Michael

Many will abandon faith in the end times

Or, maybe people just realise a bit of truth.

As to why the Gnostic church is regarded as heretic, but Gnosis is all about spiritual cultivation and advancement of self, of enlightenment, our metaphysical connection to the cosmos and nature as much as our planet, and the fact the entire monotheist establishment of the various doctrinal traditions and factions among them, have tried to compel everybody from realising since the onset of the 'Holy Roman Empire' and the spread of it's church, as it divided in the many tradition theocracies and factions we see today.

Maybe 'many' are not simply abandoning 'faith' but abandoning 'faith' in the one god, now realising the truth in the old ways, the rebirth in the beliefs of our tribal ancestors, as is happening right now, a reawakening of the Stellar's down the time line to the present, a rebirth of goddess tradition, conveniently written out of all Hebrew teachings and the creator expounded as an all power male one god entity, which given some of the most ancient Hebrew texts are in terms of the goddess, and pantheon, is parallel to so many ancient cultures, to which agents of the one god have tried to eradicate from our very awareness, to corrupt and manipulate, but have failed.

So people are realising that monotheism is nothing but a manipulation, and now in these times, people now simply find a renewed faith in the old pagan ways, especially as monotheism has brought nothing but destruction, suffering and misery to our planet throughout it's history since 2,300 years past as well as a slightly earlier period in the first monotheist manifestation.

There is no actual 'end time', simply transition of ages and shift in Human consciousness, it is a likely end to the monotheist establishment, what is happening to our planet has been of a cyclic nature since hundreds of millions of years and more, but indeed, as the people become aware of the truths, it signals an end to the reign of destructive monotheism.

All too aware myself of the convenient manner monotheists deny the violence and destruction it has caused throughout history, choose to see their religions as all merciful and benevolent, but monotheism is in reality the exact opposite and it has done enough damage, time for the new paradigm to be realised, so take off those rose tinted spec's and realise the truth and the lies which has wrought so much destruction to Terra throughout the reign of monotheism and how different the polytheist systems, traditions and beliefs are, socially, culturally and metaphysically, to our species in commonality of consciousness as too the energy nature of our planet which we are metaphysically connected, as much as the astral nature of our goddesses and gods in pantheon and why they exist on the various levels.

Maybe that's what it is, ay, the end time of monootheism.

And if any are to cite me as heretic, or any similar to myself in our fundamental beliefs, i say, it is you are heretic to the old ways, the ways we should have evolved with this past 2,300 and especially 1,500 years past, who are you to call me heretic when the entire monotheist establishment is heretic to the goddess traditions and polytheist, old ways, what i believe is much older than monotheism, so who has any right to consider me or those similar as being heretic, among the monotheists.

They desire to be Solar, but we are all of Stellar.


Peace.

Originally posted by DeltaPan

Many will abandon faith in the end times

Or, maybe people just realise a bit of truth.

As to why the Gnostic church is regarded as heretic, but Gnosis is all about spiritual cultivation and advancement of self, of enlightenment...

This, of course, is the orthodox view of Gnosticism.

It is really much more prosaic than that.

The Gnostics taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'--just like Jesus.

And just like the Albigensians, tens of thousands of whom were slaughtered by the Roman church for that Teaching.

Such a Doctrine strikes at the very foundation of not only Christianity; but, also, Judaism and Islam inasmuch as both Isaiah, Daniel and Mohammed taught precisely the same Doctrine.

So, instead, you are being told that the "Gnostics" considered themselves equal to 'God' or some other such nonsense in order to distract from this ONE Doctrinal disagreement.

Go to the wikipedia page on "resurrection". Do you see ANY mention on the topic page of even a minority position that the Doctrine of "resurrection" is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'?

Of course not.

The thought-control fascists of Wikipedia--Jews, Christians and Muslims--will simply NOT allow even a mention of this.

Michael