St. Udio, you grossly added to the Word of God
*(add: there's no periods in my pseudonym...you are grossly adding to my identity)
Originally posted by Wrecked
reply to post by On the Edge
I'm not arguing at all? I have made valid arguments with Historical FACTS, and I have yet to here any documented facts that could refute my statements. I think our conversation has been enlightening, considering not many people have the maturity to stand up for their values/morales regardless if parties agree.
Were Most Human Deaths Caused By Religion?
Sometimes when in discussion with atheists or people resisting Christianity, or religion in general you will hear the claim that religion has been the cause of the most human suffering and death in the world. Typically, events like the Crusades, the so-called "witch hunts" and the Inquisition will be trotted out as proof. And many Christians will shrink back or will say something like, "Even so, Christianity as it was espoused by Christ is non-violent." Although it is true that Christianity as espoused by Christ was to be spread not by the sword (as Islam is designed), but by the Word, by mere preaching. But why should we allow the atheist to even use the Crusades and such as evidence in their claim that most human suffering and death has been caused by religion. It plainly is not true.
What I want to do is offer a detailed listing of human death from the 18th century through the 20th century and see if the claim is true. Yes, we'll also look at the Crusades, the witch hunts and the Inquisition.
18th Century Slave Trade
Atlantic slave trade: ca. 5,000,000 transported and 8,100,000 died.
Islamic slave trade: ca. 1,300,000 transported and 2,000,000 died.
Seven Years War (1755-63)
1 million, 300,000
French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars (1792-1802)
Estimated 3-4 million
And these wars were supposed to be about bringing "freedom" to civilized men.
War of the Spanish Succession (1701-13)
1 million, 324,300
Yet another non-religious war
As we leave the 1700s don't forget all of the many, many other events -- all non-religious where hairless apes killed other hairless apes.
On to the 19th century...
19th Century Slave Trade
Atlantic slave trade: ca. 1.6M transported and 2.5M deaths.
Islamic slave trade: ca. 2M transported and 3M died.
Venezuela, power struggles (1830-1903)
Colonial El Niño Famines (1876-1900)
American Civil War (1861-65)
Paraguay, War of the Triple Alliance (1864-70)
Over 1 million or more than 80% of its population
Maybe it gets better when we get to the 20th century??? I mean, mankind becomes so much more advanced....well at least advanced at killing each other.
WWI (1914-18)= 15 million (half of that is non-military death) and this is a low estimate
Russian Civil War (1917-22) = 9 million
Soviet Union, Stalin's regime (1924-53) = 20-51 million (the Soviets were decidedly "atheistic", right?)
WWII (1937-45) = 55 million (yet another non-religious war)
Post-War Expulsion of Germans from East Europe (1945-47) = 2 million, 100,000
Chinese Civil War (1945-49) = 2 million, 500,000 (another not so "civil" war)
People's Republic of China, Mao Zedong's regime (1949-1975) = 40 million (again an "atheist" thing)
Tibet (1950 et seq.) = 600,000 (China imposing "atheism" on others)
Korean War (1950-53) = 2 million, 800,000
North Korea (1948 et seq.) = 1 million, 663,000 (not even warring, just imposing "atheism" on its own people)
Rwanda and Burundi (1959-95) = 1 million 350,000
Second Indochina War [including Vietnam] (1960-75) = 3 million, 500,000
Ethiopia (1962-92) = 1 million, 400,000
Afghanistan (1979-2001) = 1 million, 800,000 (Soviets trying to impose "atheism" again)
Sudan (1983 et seq.) = 1 million, 900,000 (no more slave trade deaths, so they start killing each other??)
Kinshasa Congo (1998 et seq.) = 3 million 800,000
Shall I go on?
Just to be fair, how about those "Crusades"??? (which in reality was less about Christianity and more about securing wealth) Certainly that had to be the biggest death toll, since according to atheists, most people have died due to "religions". Or how about the "Witch hunts" or the Inquisition? That should really push up the numbers eh?
Crusades (1095-1291) = 1-5 million
Witch Hunts (1400-1800) = est 20-100 thousand
Spanish Inquisition (1478-1834) = est 32 thousand
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Originally posted by Wrecked
reply to post by fonenyc
Actually we can argue with that! Re-writing what has already been wrote by man on a thread says nothing about the person plagiarizing. Except the fact that some, not all can only use verses as their basis of argument, but can not develop a response of their own.
Originally posted by catwhoknows
But why does the bible keep on referring to the "Son of Man"?
One of the strongest arguments for the accuracy of the Bible is its 100% accuracy in predicting the future. These future predictions are called “prophecies.” The Old Testament was written between approximately 1450 BC and 430 BC. During that time, many predictions of the future were recorded in the Bible by God’s prophets. Of the events that were to have taken place by now, every one happened just the way they predicted it would. No other “sacred writing” has such perfectly accurate predictions of the future.