Originally posted by nonnez
reply to post by Josephus23

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Ok.... I watched most of it. What a quack this "engineer" is and what a complete waste of my and others time. I think I know the angle that you come from and your intended purpose. Have fun with it....and please take time to look over the other evidence that is contrary to the position that you pretend not to fully take. Also, how do we know that he really was ever even there ....could have been an elaborate hoax and simply a set.

Originally posted by Josephus23

Originally posted by nonnez
reply to post by Josephus23

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Ok.... I watched most of it. What a quack this "engineer" is and what a complete waste of my and others time. I think I know the angle that you come from and your intended purpose. Have fun with it....and please take time to look over the other evidence that is contrary to the position that you pretend not to fully take. Also, how do we know that he really was ever even there ....could have been an elaborate hoax and simply a set.

Yes that is true.
It could all be a hoax but then again so could anything where we are not present according to your reasoning.
And that would include the holocaust.
I mean how do we know that Auschwitz was ever even there...

So since you nor I were present during the movie I would say that you have no ground to call him a quack.
I mean it is only a movie so how can we know anything.
It could all be a big fake conspiracy!!!

I do thank you for staying on topic.

Thanks for your comment.

Could you elaborate on this?

When he was simply given the material to test with no precepts about what he was testing he reported negative.

But yet when he was told what exactly was the purpose of the tests he debunked himself.

Imagine someone handing you an apron and asking you to look for blood on it. So you look at it, and you don't see any blood. So you say "there's no blood on it." And then somebody explains afterward that it was allegedly worn by a murderer as he hacked someone to pieces with a meat cleaver, and then ran it through a washing machine. So what what do you say? "Well, of course I'm not going to find blood on it. It was washed. My looking at it, after having been washed, is not an adequete test to confirm whether it was used in such a manner."

Well, hypothetically, let's say we had a confirmed result of 1 part per billion of cyanide on the walls. What does that mean? Does that mean the chamber was definitely used to kill jews? Or does it mean it was used for delousing? What's the difference of expected measurement between a delousing chamber and a murder chamber? Do we have any way to know?

Originally posted by Josephus23
reply to post by hinky

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This is not a thread that I am looking to be shot down.

This is a thread that I am looking to others for quality answers and their opinions on the movie.

I see that you have your opinions.

Thank you for posting.

No they definitely were not where you would want to spend your vacation, but there were actually some strict rules for how the prisoners had to be treated, and death warrants had to be approved and signed by higher ups. The slave labor pool was a vital part of the German war effort and efforts were made to keep it functioning productively and cost efficiently.

Originally posted by Josephus23
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

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I was hoping to get you to chime in on this topic Proto.

I think that the meat of your comments are one of the many things that most people do not realize about the labor camps.

They were labor camps.

They were a great way to get lots of free labor for the war effort and they were run primarily with the resources provided by American Corporations that included IBM and Brown Brothers Harriman.

Here is a great link discussing Prescott Bush and his allegiances with the Nazi party.

The propaganda concerning this issue runs rampant and I was most certainly playing coy until I was able to lure someone into the thread that understands exactly what happened at these camps.

And could add something of value.

Thank you.

No they definitely were not where you would want to spend your vacation, but there were actually some strict rules for how the prisoners had to be treated, and death warrants had to be approved and signed by higher ups. The slave labor pool was a vital part of the German war effort and efforts were made to keep it functioning productively and cost efficiently.

You are spot on the money. No resource on the planet can match a human resource and while the camps were atrocious and no one should ever be made to exist in such conditions they were not at all how they are portrayed in the media.
The idea of the holocaust is a political football and it is used for the promotion of an agenda.
Yes Jews died in the labor camps.
But until the end of the war the Nazi's needed to keep these folks in working condition so that they could work well.

It is no different than the idea of slavery in the South prior to the "War of the Northern Agresssion"
(I am from Georgia and that is how we talk!!)
Not all of the slaves wanted to be set free because some were taken care of very well buy their "owners".

The idea of treating someone like cattle is horrible and that is exactly how both the slave owners and the nazis viewed their respective laborers.
and I would dare say that some owners think the same way about their wage earning employees.
Yes the work camps were horrible and war is horrible but they were not death camps.
They were work camps.

Excellent reply Proto!!

I just cannot believe people when they say they used a pesticide to gas them, the Germans are clever and not fools. As for the numbers required to be pushed through all the facility's to meet the 6 million figure and you have the next conundrum but I won't go into that.