Past life hypnosis. (I want to debunk it. Help?)

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posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 05:56 PM
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The title really says it all. I mean you read about these hypnosis sessions and it seems SOOO real. But that just isn't my belief on life. So anyone want to help try and debunk it? (Or has it already been done.)

((I will check it out for myself before making a final judgment.))

Help. Thanks.




posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 06:04 PM
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I believe after you die you go to heaven or hell. So in my belief this would be impossible....



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 06:13 PM
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There is no "debunking" something that is real. A very long time ago I was regressed, and it opened up my mind to past lives so much that I actually suffer from PSTD from a death that was awfully real. I won't go into that. But! If live after death is not real, then why do so many experience ghosts? How many stories are they about a person dies, and appears to a family member after the fact? I have been seeing "dead people" for all of my life. When I was young, and went to church all the time, and was being brainwashed by religion, I thought they were demonic. Later to keep them away I just drank a lot. None of this helped, and since that time I have come to the fact that death, as we know it, in basic human terminology, does not exist. Only the corporeal carbon based human body dies, the Spirit is composed of pure energy and is immortal in nature, and lives forever.
So no, it cannot be debunked.



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 06:18 PM
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Let me change what I mean:

I mean that I need a debunker to tell me why they think it is fake. Because it seems very real...but like the other guy I am christian. Well I am open to hearing other peoples thoughts...so no hate my dudes.

But please tell your stories if you have had a PLR (Past life regression) and if you think it is fake...tell me why.



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 06:20 PM
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If the spirit is immortal, then why don't remember what we did in our 'past lives'.

It's nice to think that we may continue to live through other forms, but if we think we only get one chance at life, surely we will appreciate it more, and won't be disappointed if it truly is the only life we get.



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 06:22 PM
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But that just isn't my belief on life. So anyone want to help try and debunk it?





Come on now...you don't buy into it, so it needs to be debunked..? Well, considering you are here discussing this and looking for answers, how can it be debunked..? Just who has an answer for you..? The poster below your OP..? I think not...and that's quite the norm around here...


You may find some philosophical ideas and discussions that can help guide you to an assumption, but that's it...





posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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A very long time ago I was regressed, and it opened up my mind to past lives so much that I actually suffer from PSTD from a death that was awfully real.


False Memory


If live after death is not real, then why do so many experience ghosts?


Present solid evidence of an encounter with a ghost that is yet to be debunked.


How many stories are they about a person dies, and appears to a family member after the fact?


Physical evidence or just an anecdotal story?


I have been seeing "dead people" for all of my life


Some call this schizophrenia, may want to look into that.


When I was young, and went to church all the time, and was being brainwashed by religion,I thought they were demonic


Fighting things that don't exist with a flawed idea of how things work may not work well.


...death, as we know it, in basic human terminology, does not exist. Only the corporeal carbon based human body dies, the Spirit is composed of pure energy and is immortal in nature, and lives forever.
So no, it cannot be debunked.


When the human body ceases to function, that means you're dead. Do you have any physical evidence of the existence of a spirit?

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On topic, looking into false memories will probably explain anything you're curious about.



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by facelift
reply to post by drew1749
 


Come on now...you don't buy into it, so it needs to be debunked..? Well, considering you are here discussing this and looking for answers, how can it be debunked..? Just who has an answer for you..? The poster below your OP..? I think not...and that's quite the norm around here...


Yes he didnt answer my question. -_-

Here is the thing...there has to be one person on this board who doesn't believe in PLR. I'm asking to hear someone tell me how it could be faked. Due to the fact that I don't think it is real. As it isn't my religion.

[I know I'm not the best writer but cut me some slack. I'm just curious. If you look at my other threads I usually only post to ask questions that I don't know. ATS has a helpfull community.
]



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 06:30 PM
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"One person on the board that doesn't believe it"

Anyway let me follow your link and I will get back to you.



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by splittheatom
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If the spirit is immortal, then why don't remember what we did in our 'past lives'.

It's nice to think that we may continue to live through other forms, but if we think we only get one chance at life, surely we will appreciate it more, and won't be disappointed if it truly is the only life we get.



When we enter a new existence, we do so under amnesia, If we did in fact remember all of our past lives, it would diminish the experience of mortality on earth. We'd be very apathetic and wouldn't take things as seriously. I've experienced this a lot in my life. I guess that's an experience in itself though.



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 06:33 PM
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That's interesting. I will always remember a dream when I was killed by a sword back when I was kid. I could feel very cold metal and only pressure pain. It wasn't the usual death from a high fall but by a sword from a guy whom I don't even know
. I did die by falling in so many dreams and often intentionally.



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 06:37 PM
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Okay, thank you. That is all I needed. I'm not saying it isn't possible but I have my own beliefs and just needed some help debunking it. Well you guys can continue a argument on it if you want. I will still read along and comment. But my question has been answered...



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 06:38 PM
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Who knows if reincarnation is true or not? I don't. BUT... my problem is that these past life regressions always turn up that you were Cleopatra or Julius Caesar (or at least Marc Antony) or some moderately famous person. No one was ever the chimney sweep or the shoplifting meth head. Why is that?



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 06:53 PM
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Once you die, you have breached the time and space barrier, you are theoretically everywhere at once and time does not exist, an eternity in a second and a second within an eternity where a conscious being can take as much time as it required before returning, perhaps what may feel like 10,000 years of existing on the other side, but only a moment before they are born again in this world to a new body to finish their experiences.

I believe this is why we dont remember past lives when we return, I can barely remember details from 20 years ago let alone what may feel like 20,000 passing by before entering another body "Auh,mmm huhhh who was I again?? uhhohh I'm hungry, time to move on"

I firmly believe that every human being is a conscious entity that is (outside of time) hundreds of thousands of 'years' old that has been learning and experiencing innumerable amounts of energy that rises...and rises until it becomes something "More then human".

These are thoughts from my own direct experience with my past lives and stepping into the Otherworld for personal discovery.

We are old...so very very old - We have forgotten much - but we will remember


-G



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 06:54 PM
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Huh? Study actual past life regression case studies. Not the carnival psychic.

thepiratebay.org...

Listen to this, or buy the book Journey of Souls. It's jam-packed full of case studies.



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 07:14 PM
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Only speaking from my own personal experiences. I have never heard anyone say they were a normal, boring person. In fact, I have never heard OF anyone claiming the mediocre or mundane. The closest was some kid that claimed to be (and had some decent info about) a guy who was killed in WW1. Still, probably contamination by the parents. And for a little kid, playing army men probably isn't that mundane or mediocre anyway.



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by YouDeserveToKnow
reply to post by 35Foxtrot
 


Huh? Study actual past life regression case studies. Not the carnival psychic.

thepiratebay.org...

Listen to this, or buy the book Journey of Souls. It's jam-packed full of case studies.


I read the first half of the book before...that was really what I was asking about. lol



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 07:55 PM
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You cannot prove the nonexistence of something. You can prove that something exists, however...
Example: I want to know if apples truly exist. Currently, I cannot say that apples exist because I have not experienced any apples so far. I haven't seen any apples, touched any apples, or seen any evidence for apples. I cannot say that apples exist at this point. However, I cannot say that apples do NOT exist, either! The moment I find a single apple, the assertion that apples do not exist will be rendered false. Despite not having seen any apples so far in my experience, I cannot logically conclude that apples do not exist - I can only state that there is no evidence for the hypothesis of the existence of apples. I can and must also state that there is no evidence for the hypothesis of the nonexistence of apples. I don't have any evidence for either the existence or the nonexistence of apples! I don't have any evidence that indicates to me that apples do not exist, nor do I have any evidence that apples do exist.

You can see that from the perspective of one ignorant to the existence of a phenomena, it would seem most logical to assume it does not exist. However, one must consider that each person has their own personal accepted limits of reality, which are based on past experience. If you have not experienced apples or even heard of apples, you would probably not guess that apples do exist. Since you aren't aware of the idea of an apple, you wouldn't think that apples exist.

In the case of past life regression, there is plenty evidence for past lives and reincarnation: the experiences of the people who have done past life regression as well as in the east/Asia, where reincarnation is commonly accepted and a complex spiritual science developed around the idea of reincarnation

There is, however, no evidence for the nonexistence of reincarnation/past lives. Think about it - by nature, a past life is hidden from oneself during their current life. Part of the essential, basic idea of past lives and reincarnation is that there is a "veil" of forgetting which falls into place as one is incarnated into their current life. So if reincarnation is real, we would expect that very few people have knowledge of it, but that there might be methods of breaking down the veil of forgetfulness. The whole past life regression via hypnosis thing is entirely internally consistent (that is, if we take everything within the reincarnation ideology as true, it does not contradict itself). External inconsistencies (like fact checking against outside sources) are effectively impossible to bring up with a concept like reincarnation, as by nature it is a subjective experience.

If you are Chrisitian, then this last bit is especially for you: According to the Bible, God has given every living creature an eternal soul. Eternal means forever, and not just from your birthday onward! Eternal means forever backwards in time as well as forwards! An eternal soul means we have all been around forever, and will all be around forever. So where was your soul all the time before this life? My personal take on reincarnation and Christianity is that the soul, being eternal, would most likely not just be sitting around for half of eternity, then spend a few years (a blink of an eye relative to cosmic time scales) alive, then immediately fall back into eternal pain or eternal pleasure... That is not very rational, even within the ideology of Christianity, or any religion. It makes more sense, to me at least, that eternal souls would incarnate into differing lives/bodies/egos in cycles of life throughout eternity. Not an infinitesimal flash of life sandwiched between endless monotony of heaven/hell and whatever supposedly came before life on earth for the Christian.

Reincarnation is a really interesting idea, and while false memories certainly exist, it seems reincarnation and past life regression/memories are too prevalent, common, and consistent of phenomena to be complete BS.

The only way you can know for sure would be to have a regression hypnosis session yourself. You can't prove that past lives do NOT exist. You can try to prove they do exist by doing past life regression sessions all the time, but even if you never actually access past life memories yourself, reincarnation is inherently non-disprovable.
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posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 08:11 PM
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Debunk is probably not a healthy objective. Examine the phenomenon with a critical weye, yes!

Dogmatic belief in standard occult theory could be questioned...
There are reasonable proofs of one (Earth) life being remembered in this life with outside props and all. Check libraries. There is no evidence that everybody reincarnates every time though!

What if only a certain percentage of people recall their last lives?
The rest of the souls go to the Theocratic camps for interment after death (Jesus, Jimi Hendrix etc.). If they are lucky, they can get away and go free.

Dead spirits need to come back for the earth element is missing if you do not reincarnate - otherwise their astral world withers. Or they can reyl upon prayers and devotion by others in which case they will turn into an astral theocratic entity.

True, reincarnational hypnosis sometimes bears results that can be explained away by the person's subconscious map and even their personal tastes. I have seen such things with clients.
Also, fashions poison resious research - there are far too many persosn I read about that were supposed to be there when Jesus was crucified. They would not have fitted Golgotha. Some extra refugee camps should have been established there to house all these reincarnationist inmates.

If you take reincarnation as standard occultism did, you cannot explain well how there are more people living now than ever before in recorded history added together. Except if you add that some souls came from alien systems and they are massing in now. Isn't that interesting?

I think with careful guidance a trance of past existences can be evoked without any false memories. However, expectations and intereference from the conscious minds in the treatment will often sidetrack the issue. Cayce was good at it, yet he prophecied incredible things too...

Go figure...



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 10:00 PM
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Well said dude. Well said. Star for you.





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