I suspect reality is as follows, and I want liberation from it

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very excellently put my friend. Would i propose something i feel you may have left out?, although by the sounds of it, you may already have thought of this, but what if you are right about reincarnation, and before we any of us came here we made deals with people that were in our lives before we even came here. I think that if God is anything he/she is a forgiving God and would only give us what we can handle, the people that cant handle it are the ones who forgot why they are here. This to me IS what ive heard a lot of people calling this a prison planet to learn leasons in life because we are a relitively new species and in that we need a few times to get it right.

I agree with you though on the fact that you wouldnt want to be tied down to the thought of God having any pull over you. But i dont think that is true, i think we all have free will and just need some help. My ego as of recently told me i could do it on my own. I was very sadly mistaken. Ive not come to the realization that EVERY one person deserves their own own help from someone else.

That movie Vampire in Brooklyn had a line that caused something to grow in me. It went like this: Evil...is actually Good. I have used this to sum my life and make sense of this world.

I believe we are truly of spiritual design, the problem is, you can't experience much in the spiritual form. Religions will harp on there not being any pain or hunger, but guess what, there's also no touching of loved ones or eating a 18oz steaks. In short, being a spirit has it's advantages but it also has its disadvantages.

We are LINED up in Heaven (or whatever you want to call it) to incarnate here on Earth and experience some of this pain and hunger. What seem so horrible and evil to us is merely experiences to our true spirit forms. There's no harm, no foul. If you walk up and place that baby in the microwave, you've merely destroyed its physical form/suit and its soul returns home or does whatever it wants until it desires to re-incarnate again.

It's the only way God can be absolute. Is if he/it incorporates EVERYTHING, the good and the bad. We are all small particles of God. We have that power inside us, even in this physical body.

Almost all of us have been led astray by our LOVE of this physical plane. We're (well some of us) trying to wean ourselves from this drug of physical reality, but it's tough. There's some of us that wish to never leave this physical reality. So we have scientists trying to find ways of enabling eternal life here on Earth or in this universe. Though our spiritual mirrors in spirit land won't allow them too, we'll be knocked down a peg again. Knocked back to the stone age, just as we believe we have it. This world is meant for temporary habitation not permanent. It's like one of us deciding to live in our actual video games we own. Insanity!

We grieve our loved ones when they die, when in actuality, for a while they grieve that we actually take this world serious and think it real.

Fellow soul: We are all a collective of souls making up a larger soul, experiencing individually through the illusion of ego and collectively as the result of our contrived circumstance, thoughts and actions. There is no "good" or "bad" per se, only a projection of judgement from our limited perspective. We DO have control of our individual intentions which affect our experience from a "light" or "dark" perspective. Knowing who, what, and where you are is imperitive as well as evolving in love to take control of the quality of your experience and providing the highest reward to yourself and our collective soul.

I appreciate your spiritual travels. We are all on this journey together, Live from the heart and in love. Stay alert and open to your guiding forces as they are all around you. Intend every moment of every day in love and light and you will continue to clear the doubt and experience the joy of your part in this grand plan. It is an awesome time to be incarnated here.

Peace.

I'm having a hard time swallowing different (heavens). Perhaps someone you love was a muslim and that person felt entitled to 72 virgins and goes into a "heaven" with 72 virgins. (i cannot handle one women let alone 72) The problem with this is that your beliefs are that of a family heaven (christian?). where all the ones you loved in the past you see in heaven. so would that muslim be incorporated? If so, then we are talking about a multi spirit. or omnipresence. Which also does not make sense because many believe God is the only omnipresence. So the question of a multi-layered multi religion separate realms seems to be in my opinion a little racist. It is like have a segregation reform in another dimension. Which does not make sense. I can understand that aliens have a different heaven and that we should be separate from those. But as far as humans we are all entitled to be together the way we were created.

Good day

Originally posted by kauskau
reply to post by 11118

 

how can u rebuild your structure as simple and fast as possible.

Each entity/person has a unique structure and rhythm in doing things. I cannot give you a procedural text, but instead only give this: Learn what exactly your structure is, who you are, and constantly be what you want to change. Meditate, the silence and single pointedness from meditation will take you far within which will radiate without.

Also, I believe in sex in heaven, except that it is far different and involves increased in vibrations when two spirit combines. Also, I know we lose our physical form, so touch will be obsolete

I'll happily fade within the ether when my time comes, content in oblivions sweet embrace..................................
................... as long as I can hear The Pixies as it happens

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schuyler, atleast through all the maddness you seem to have uncovered some improtant data which is -WE ARE ETERNAL- so all we gotta do is figure it out and REMEMBER. A memory wiping device is not perfect its just overwritting. So recover the overwritten data within you AND BECOME STRONGER...

Originally posted by schuyler
Whoever started this, You no longer have my support. We’re not the problem; You are. I want out of this pattern. I want You to let my people go. I want You to free us from the shackles of this cycle.

Tibetan Buddhism is one way - sure as hell isn't fun though!
I'm not promoting what I believe, I'm no longer Buddhist, but the main teachings of Buddha (Siddharta Guatama) are that life is about a cycle of birth, old age, sickness, and death... to be started again and again until you escape it by the work of meditation, balancing karma, compassion.
Buddha wrote tens of thousands of works over the 50 or so years of his life since he purportedly reached enlightenment, so start with an easy book like something from Deepak Chopra or Jack Cornfield. =)

Well done thread. I'll comment back with this from Albert Camus:
There is but one truly serious philosophical problem and that is suicide. Judging whether life is or is not worth living amounts to answering the fundamental question of philosophy.

Originally posted by Jordan River
I'm having a hard time swallowing different (heavens).

John 14:2
"In my Father's house are many mansions."

Jesus wasn't lying


Peace

Originally posted by BobbinHood

Originally posted by Jordan River
I'm having a hard time swallowing different (heavens).

John 14:2
"In my Father's house are many mansions."

Jesus wasn't lying

Peace

I just hate to see people separated. At least all 3 religions believe in the same thing. wish I went now

reply to post by schuyler


Who or What are you petitioning for your grievances? If you don't believe in benevolence of Creator(s), then what's the point, the reaction will be opposite to what you hope for. If you don't believe in anything, your rant makes even less sense.
You are not the first, and certaingly not the last to rebel against perceived injustice of the Universe, it is a fruitless excersize leading to frustration and apathy. You can't change His(Her/Its/Their) mind, only your own.
And how had you deduced as a matter of fact that we reincarnate? If you have hard facts or convincing evidence, then your pessimism is justifed, otherwise the other-side future is likely to be much brighter then you anticipate.

reply to post by schuyler

I dont think that we can ever understand the motives of our creator nor should we try. I submit to you that you should appreciate life in all its joys and pain. After all if you didnt have this gift of life you wouldnt be able to complain. whatever we are a part of it is a great deal bigger than ourselves and in such a grand scheme as the universe there is bound to joy and pain. We humans have not been around long enough to shed our selfish nature because in our universe here and now all we have is us. Imagine a time in the near future where terrorist are no longer our biggest problem but maybe some other species from space who wishes to plunder whatever we have to offer. I feel when that time comes we will unite as a people and all the misery we inflict on each other will instead move to whoever or whatever threatens our existance. I have suffered greatly in my lifetime but my pain and joy becomes the sum of who i am it defines me and my choices because i have suffered so i have become more sensative to others pain. The same can be said for the joy i have felt I smile at people i dont know because it helps sometimes to see a freindly face when the world can be so uncaring. Try to remember it wasnt long ago that we became aware of these concepts of GOD or a CREATOR as it were. I feel we will continue to become more civilized as we move offworld and life for us as a species wil become less miserable and understanding of the universe will bring comfort to us that we never experieced before. So smile at someone today and share your joy instead of your misery so e can work toward that end

i have a question, to anyone that has red the Forbidden myseteries of Enoch, why is it that no one wants to quote from this book>? i have heard that just by simply holding the book or something that gives you more whatever then actually reading it. Anyones take on the Angels, heavens, or hells, that are talked about and knows id really like to hear it. Anything that can be of value. Thanks

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Good thread and I resonate with what you say. Yet, I am unsure whether or not I agreed to the stay on this earth, but truly am looking forward to finishing what I need to do and move on. In the last year, I and to a lesser extent my mate have had some astounding changes which give hope and I have seen it posted by others which let's me know this is more universal than not.

Other than learning to do telekinesis a year ago which opened my mind or what ever it is up, I have had profound dreams of transitioning and so forth.

More to the point here is a recent OBE, and out of body experience, in fact two. Let me preface this by saying, I am aware of "others" there when this happens and, we are not in fact in complete control of what happens to us.

In the one event I will relate, I had myself awakened, I just pop awake with this anticipatory feeling of being with someone. And then my first thought of what is happening triggers severe but pleasant vibrations. In the case I am speaking about, I found myself pulled from this body and was looking back at myself. Not actually this body, but the real self, a brilliant light body, almost angelic if you are of that mind. It is pure white light and I saw a shape and felt great love and humor, almost like the light was smiling. I felt this to be me and I heard some words from the others that this was a sacred thing.

Now I adhere to no dogma or specific religion and due to this I am attacked if I tell this story for I am on the outside, yet, if I were part of a church they would call it a great sign or a miracle. Instead, they tell me it is demons which is a bunch of crap, as I was there and it was pure, that which is you and I. So know this, we are here for reasons which we may not know, but are supported in many ways.

Sorry about the length but this last bit confirms what I have said. In talking to my nearly grown grandson, he tells me about this awesome dream of floating above his body and looking down. From the his body he saw this brilliant white light glowing outward. He told me it was a neat dream of seeing light coming out from the inside. Needless to say, his telling sent chills down my spine for I had not told him of my seeing.

Originally posted by OrphenFire
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Of course you're free to believe that, and you're definitely welcome to post about it. But I think you should be a little more ambitious in what you believe. Christianity encourages sheep-like behavior, and you are surely the epitome of a Christian sheep. You probably take that as a compliment, but it was intended as more of a "too bad" thing. Life may really be simple, in fact it probably is, but your description is only one way of describing it. But who am I to say you're wrong? I don't know 100%, right?

I don't know what you mean by being ambitious in what I believe.. I believe in what Jehovah tells us in the bible. Christianity does not encourage your definition of sheep-like behavior unless you mean to love one another is sheep-like. In fact I think Jesus was a very strong man, very opinionated and a great leader by example. It is very easy to do bad or follow worldly philosophies that Satan has put out but it is much harder to find and walk the path of a christian. Christian's are sheep because they are humble to the truth and do not have a hard heart where the seed of truth does not grow. Goats are stuborn and do not want the seed of truth to grow and instead spend their life in circles choosing Satan's teaching's via secular philosophies, false religions, brother hoods, politics... etc.. Anything that keeps you from finding God belongs to Satan. Take for instance when Satan offered Jesus all the governments if he just show a sign of obedience to him.. did Jesus say " The governments do not belong to you." no he did not.. Instead he said it is only to Jehovah whom everyone should adore. So Satan keeps transforming himself into an angel of light, meaning he makes himself seem good to people in order to derail them. People get caught up in tons of politics and are actually worshipping at the altar of Satan.

Is this a little more ambitious for you?

I love your thread, O.P.

I agree with your introductory post, as those have been the conclusions I have come to through my own journey and observations of life.

Every day we look around only to learn that in some way, we've been deceived. There is always someone trying to enslave us, kill us, or prevent us from reaching our full potential as a spiritual being.

They say good always triumphs over evil. For several decades, I would say this has not been the case. With the unbelievable atrocities we witness every day, day in and day out, is it any wonder so many choose to escape in alcohol and drugs? There is so much pain it is sometimes unbearable.

I grow tired of hearing people claim this is a beautiful world. It is NOT a beautiful world. It is an evil, ugly, hateful world. Every now and then, you experience beauty in some form, but it is ultimately overshadowed by the dark side of humanity.

I know one thing, there is definitely more going on than meets the eye. Forces of evil and forces of good are in constant conflict and we are the pawns used in the battle.

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Sorry about the length but this last bit confirms what I have said. In talking to my nearly grown grandson, he tells me about this awesome dream of floating above his body and looking down. From the his body he saw this brilliant white light glowing outward. He told me it was a neat dream of seeing light coming out from the inside. Needless to say, his telling sent chills down my spine for I had not told him of my seeing.

Great post, sailormon

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Also, I know we lose our physical form, so touch will be obsolete

Wow, sounds kind of sucky...

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I wouldnt be so quick to dismiss this existence as soo crappy...

Think of this. You never change, you do exactly what your frequency of energy is meant to do and nothing more. You are a part of a collective and get to make no individual choices.

This reality is actually a reprieve, a vacation if you will, from what our normal reality is.

There is a specific purpose to this life and a reason for life and they are not the same. The reason is to ecperience the self, and the purpose is to prepare to become part of the conglomerate again.


This is why non realists get deluded into believeing in socialism and communism. They have the connection with the way things are at the higher levels, but don't realize that it's not possible to successfully implement at THIS level. While experiencing the self, you can't be connected with your fellow man at a high enough level to successfully implement the non-selfish actions necessary to successfully implement those ideologies.

And while some are prepared to do so, in order to successfully implement them, EVERYONE would have to be prepared and capable of doing so.

Jaden