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Berlin Researchers Crack the Ptolemy Code

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posted on Oct, 20 2010 @ 05:11 PM
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01 October 2010
Part 1
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The researchers appear, for example, to have accurately located three particularly important Germanic sites, known to Ptolemy as "Eburodunum," "Amisia" and "Luppia." The new calculations put these sites at the present day cities of Brno, Fritzlar und Bernburg (Saale), all places already possessing unusually distinguished recorded histories.

A 2nd century map of Germania by the scholar Ptolemy has always stumped scholars, who were unable to relate the places depicted to known settlements. Now a team of researchers have cracked the code, revealing that half of Germany's cities are 1,000 years older than previously thought.

The founding of Rome has been pinpointed to the year 753. For the city of St. Petersburg, records even indicate the precise day the first foundation stone was laid.

Historians don't have access to this kind of precision when it comes to German cities like Hanover, Kiel or Bad Driburg. The early histories of nearly all the German cities east of the Rhine are obscure, and the places themselves are not mentioned in documents until the Middle Ages. So far, no one has been able to date the founding of these cities.

Rainy Realm of Barbarians

One of these drawings depicts "Germania Magna," the rainy realm inhabited, according to Roman sources, by rough barbarians whose reproductive drive, they said, was giving rise to an alarming number of tribes.
There are three more maps at the link.


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Part 2: 'Lost Places in Our Past'

The new map suggests that minor German towns such as Salzkotten or Lalendorf have existed for at least 2,000 years. "Treva," located at the confluence of the Elbe and Alster Rivers, was the precursor to Hamburg; Leipzig was known as "Aregelia."

All this offers up rather exciting prospects, since it makes half the cities in Germany suddenly 1,000 years older than previously believed. "Our atlas is a treasure map," team member Andreas Kleineberg says proudly, "and the coordinates lead to lost places in our past."

Archaeological interest in the map will likely be correspondingly large.

In 150 AD, the mathematician and astronomer Ptolemy embarked on a project to depict the entire known world. Living in Alexandria, in the shadow of its monumental lighthouse, the ancient scholar drew 26 maps in colored ink on dried animal skins. This photo shows an 18th century depiction of Ptolemy.
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This is interesting in that it has a connection to Rome, more and more evidence is coming to light that indeed All Roads Lead to Rome.

So much of ancient history is missing, very difficult to have any kind of accurate time line, the more that is found the more sense can hopefully be made.

The maps that the mathematician and astronomer Ptolemy drew are quite amazing and a great find, he must have traveled extensively at that time, reminds me a little of Lewis and Clark who mapped the Great American West.

There are interesting articles of Bribes and Assassinations and Military work in that era in Part 2.


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posted on Oct, 20 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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What I find significant is the kind of upheavals that could have let to say a town not knowing how far back it actually dates, and being off by as much as a thousand years.

I think that illustrates that at various periods that even though some places have been continuously occupied, their occupants through some war, famine, pogrom or other disaster, or imposition lost complete touch with their own history.

Yet when it comes to the “big history” of the world, we are told we should always believe the time lines, players, motives and locations and the conventional slant on it.

These towns and cities of course all had Roman names at their founding. It truly was and is a Roman world, where it would appear if not for Rome’s help, you wouldn’t even know where you were, or how old you are!

Think about that a moment.



posted on Oct, 20 2010 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Yet when it comes to the “big history” of the world, we are told we should always believe the time lines, players, motives and locations and the conventional slant on it.

These towns and cities of course all had Roman names at their founding. It truly was and is a Roman world, where it would appear if not for Rome’s help, you wouldn’t even know where you were, or how old you are!

Think about that a moment.


There is the rub, we are misinformed about the history of our World at every turn, even today much of history that is taught in our schools is wrong and when there is proof that it's wrong nothing changes, they still keep teaching the lies, there is a small group of people who decide what is taught and not taught, therein lies the problem.

Thanks for posting.
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posted on Oct, 20 2010 @ 08:53 PM
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A fascinating subject, and interesting research.

"Decoding" the location of the towns would be a real boon for archaeological research -- the problem being that these places have been inhabited for thousands of year and layer is built on top of layer -- like the old city of Troy. I think it would be wonderful to get to a demolition site in the middle of one of those cities and start an archaeological dig to peel away the layers and see what history is there!



posted on Oct, 20 2010 @ 09:06 PM
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Yes Byrd, cities being built in layers on top of each other is a problem, although they are finding great things all the time, not necessarily archaeologists but renovators and construction workers.

We are living in exciting times and lucky in that great artifacts are being found all the time.

Thanks for posting.



posted on Oct, 20 2010 @ 09:47 PM
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I traveled in Germany extensively, it is a beautiful country, the Castles are beautiful and well taken care of. There is a road that goes from Wizburg South to the Austrian border, it is called the Romantic Route aka: Romantische, I have traveled it twice, one of the fun things is that we stayed in private homes in these small cities, there are signs in the windows to stay for the night and breakfast included, very inexpensive.



posted on Oct, 21 2010 @ 07:44 PM
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The “Ptolemy Code” cracked, metal detectorists rejoice…
Oct 3rd, 2010

Here’s a great "Hidden History" ,that manages to link Ptolemy, Roman trading, Istanbul, Nazi history, and archaeology - well worth reading!

A long-standing mystery about the early history of Germany is that nobody has really had much of an idea where its towns were. Yet the Romans left plenty of references to trading with miscellaneous German peoples, to crossing Germany to get to the Baltic, to arranging politically expedient assassinations, etc: and every once in a while a huge cache of buried treasure turns up. So there plainly were people there… but where were their towns?

However, a Berlin-based team of academic surveyors and mappers now claim – after a six-year struggle – to have finally worked out how to remap Ptolemy’s 94 German town coordinates onto actual coordinates. What made this possible was the dramatic discovery in the Topkapı Palace library in Istanbul of an earlier copy of Ptolemy’s Geographia (a reproduction of which is due for publication in 2011): the team’s results appear in a new book “Germania und die Insel Thule” (“Germania and the Island of Thule”).


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Here is more information from another point of view, there seems to be a big controversy over this amazing discovery, not surprising since it comes with the territory when anything ancient is discovered. I wasn't aware that this has been studied for more then six years.



posted on Oct, 22 2010 @ 06:05 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

These towns and cities of course all had Roman names at their founding.

That's simply not true. In the article:



Even the town of Fürstenwalde in eastern Germany appears to have existed 2,000 years ago. Its name then was "Susudata," a word derived from the Germanic term "susutin," or "sow's wallow" -- suggesting that the city's skyline was perhaps less than imposing.


Of course the map has Roman style names, it's a Roman map. Just like an English map will refer to España as Spain. The locals would not have called these settlements by the same names as the Romans.

Good article OP, I enjoyed it.
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