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Topic started on 19-10-2010 @ 10:39 PM by Surfrat
China Said to Widen Its Embargo of Minerals
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China mines 95 percent of the world’s rare earth elements, which have broad commercial and military applications, and are vital to the manufacture of products as diverse as cell phones, large wind turbines and guided missiles. Any curtailment of Chinese supplies of rare earths is likely to be greeted with alarm in Western capitals, particularly because Western companies are believed to keep much smaller stockpiles of rare earths than Japanese companies.
Is America becoming a 2nd class country?
China continues to build on its path to become the world’s new superpower; delegating America to just another 2nd class nation.

The significance of the US-Sino conflict is missed altogether. It is between liberal democracy and dictatorship. The outcome of the conflict will determine whether humankind will continue the trend to individual dignity and social justice or revert to the pre-Enlightenment days of autocracy and social hierarchy. With the precedent concentration of wealth in hand, the Chinese authorities have started to advertise the “China model” of development, via crony capitalism under absolute one-party dictatorship, and spread the value system behind it — Confucianism. What is at stake is far more than purely economic.


reply posted on 19-10-2010 @ 11:14 PM by neo96
reply to post by justadood



me i dont buy nothing from chinese for the simply it is junk i dont buy cheap because of the ol addeum you get what you pay for..........if it costs me twice as much i buy it............tvs,electronics i buy japanese even cars....

thats the way it is...........china will never become a true superpower until "quality" is associated with its name

and my take that isnt ever going to happen.

and no america wont bring back jobs for the simple fact unions,regulations and taxes and EDUCATION are addressed.............when it comes to outsourcing those are the culprits.............its the combination of all of the above...............even if you paid people pennies on the dollar that will not bring jobs back...

business go elsewhere in the world for the simple fact thats where the resources are:

people
people educated
people with degrees
people who dont think they too good to do anything.....................and until that changes outsourcing will never end.


reply posted on 19-10-2010 @ 11:39 PM by Scalded Frog
We're well on our way and imo it is because our political machine is "for sale." Corporations have no national loyalties. Truly, the world is their oyster. Our politicians have written legislation over the years that has allowed for the complete dismantling of our production and manufacturing abilities, outsourcing of jobs and unlimited immigration with no penalties for doing so... rewards in fact.

The government has been willing to borrow and borrow to maintain our lifestyles which has trickled down and allowed us to become a nation whose consumer spending is 70% of GDP. Can we continue to borrow so we can continue to be consumers? At what point do we hit the wall? When that happens and we aren't able to contribute to the global economy THEN we will be completely a 2nd class country. At that point these corporations that ARE global won't have much if any incentive to stay, they have customers elsewhere.

Right now, despite our economic malaise, we still have the better country. Our environment is not polluted and most people in the western world have a better lifestyle than in China in so many ways. Question is, how do we keep it that way?

If we continue down our current path and have to entice manufacturing back home what sacrifices will we have to or be willing to make? Let our rivers and aiir become polluted (again)? Work for... I was going to say a dollar a day but at that point it won't be a dollar... guess it will be a yuan or remnimbi?


reply posted on 20-10-2010 @ 12:25 AM by Surfrat
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“people
people educated
people with degrees
people who don’t think they too good to do anything.....................and until that changes outsourcing will never end.”
That says it all.
I would add my “Wishful thinking” that we buy only American produced items; Don’t buy from companies that outsource; Buy first from small local business; Vote for a small government.


reply posted on 20-10-2010 @ 12:26 AM by SaturnFX
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Heya OPs.

First off, America has never been, is not, nor never should be a Democracy...Democracy is mob rule trash government. A complete destroyer and the worst government in my opinion ever contemplated.

It is a republic...it has always been a republic, and god willing, will always be a republic.

There is a massive difference.

Now, about the rest of your thread.
China is a socialism...your saying that America is losing power to China (the socialist country) because we are becoming more socialist in our programs? Hell, we are edging close to the socialist times of reagen if this keeps up...yep.

-sighs-

America is rapidly becoming a 3rd world in regards to the education of its people...that much is clear by many mindsets.


reply posted on 20-10-2010 @ 09:11 AM by justadood
reply to post by neo96



yeah, it's everyone's fault EXCEPT the American consumer who chooses to 'save' i the short run, while they spend money at businessess who take that money way from their community.


reply posted on 20-10-2010 @ 09:13 AM by justadood
Originally posted by SaturnFX
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post by Surfrat



Heya OPs.

First off, America has never been, is not, nor never should be a Democracy...Democracy is mob rule trash government. A complete destroyer and the worst government in my opinion ever contemplated.

It is a republic...it has always been a republic, and god willing, will always be a republic.

There is a massive difference.


Actually, the USA is a Democratic Republic. We practice 'democracy' in the voting process. Or had you not read the right-wing talking point all the way through before you repeated it mindlessly?

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