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Originally posted by DZAG Wright
reply to post by Mahree
Will you rather pay a fine of even $1000 for not insuring someone, or would you rather pay for a employees healthcare insurance at $8K every year?
Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
reply to post by Califemme
See this is exactly what I am talking about here, where did this come from? It's not the fact that tax rates have gone down for the majority of Americans under Obama, but the fact that the government taxes citizens at all that people are complaining about now!
Is this simply because you must have something against Obama, must find some reason to hate him and all government? Does the fact that he is helping the working classes by lowering their taxes means somehow that there must be a new tax-based argument instead?
America cannot hate the man for lowering their taxes so they become Anarcho-Libertarians to find a new reason to hate him. Insanity.
Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by babybunnies
Of course its a tax increase. Regardless of whether or not the current tax rates were implemented on a temporary basis, to let them expire is raising taxes. You can play semantics all you want.
How about this logic? Joe is on welfare and gets $100/month last month he got $80. Welfare, at least in the terms that are described by the liberals who consistently choose to support welfare and associated hand-outs is that they are temporary. They are used for a period of time for folks to "get back on their feet". Joe gets his welfare check and its $80. Was his welfare payment cut? The same folks who suggest that letting the tax cuts expire is not raising taxes are the same folks who would be outraged that Joe's handout was reduced
Originally posted by trailertrash
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
It's the oldest trick in the world. Tell lies about your opponent and keep repeating them while, at the same time, denying it all. It is the method used by Gobbels in Germany and it is the method used by the right wingers in this country. Fox news does it every day. Beck does it every day and people love him. They are putty in his hands and he knows it.
Once you realize this it is easy to see through them and ignore them. But most people are either incapable of understanding this or they don't care. This is used to great advantage and the liberals will lose almost every time because they refuse to deceive people. Like they say, "good guys finish last".
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright
reply to post by Califemme
Business taxes should go up and needed too for a long time.
Originally posted by mnemeth1
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by thisguyrighthere
I've readily demonstrated that taxation, unless shown to be an unreasonably burden, cannot be classified as 'theft' in the democratic state.
Does it require the threat of violence?
Yes.
Therefore, it is impossible for taxes to not be theft.
Ultimately the use of violence or threats of violence to expropriate property is theft no matter who does the stealing.
A criminal can not claim the moral high ground if he engages in armed robbery to feed his family - and neither can the State.