The Dead Greet the Dying

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posted on Oct, 18 2010 @ 08:53 PM
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Friends,

Please take time to read this article: Do the Dead Greet the Dying




Throughout my years of working with the dying and the bereaved, I have noticed commonly shared experiences that remain beyond our ability to explain and fully understand. The first are visions. As the dying see less of this world, some people appear to begin looking into the world to come. It's not unusual for the dying to have visions, often of someone who has already passed on. Your loved one may tell you that his deceased father visited him last night, or your loved one might speak to his mom as if she were there in the room at that time.


The reason I titled this thread as I did is because I believe the dead do in fact greet the dying. It's an undisputed fact that the dying, at least, believe such a thing happens to them.

When my great-grandmother was dying in our home, she took my old bedroom and I moved to the addict. One day while watching TV with my mother she looked over to an empty chair and back to my mom "Sandy....is little Nathan dead?" My mom responded, "Yes." My great-grandmother looked puzzled, not confused, just puzzled as if she was being given two completely contradictory statements at the same time to work out in her head. She died a couple days later.

The reason I post this in the medical issues forum is because I believe this is first a medical issue. I would like to know what people of all or no religious beliefs think about this article and, in particular, the best scientific arguments against my assertion that the dying are, in fact, greeted by the dead.

Care,
Snusfanatic
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posted on Oct, 18 2010 @ 08:59 PM
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I don't think it happens with everyone, but I know of 2 instances. An old friend's sister passed away from cancer and they were in her hospital room and she told her sisters that their aunt and grandfather were in the room with them. She said they were waiting for her and she was scared to die but knew they were there to 'escort' her. Not exactly in those words but that was the gist of it.

As my aunt was slipping away from a brain tumour, she kept arguing with seemingly no one and told me to tell them to go away. I didn't press further as she was upset and drugged out of her gourd.



posted on Oct, 18 2010 @ 09:10 PM
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There's something to be said about this subject. Several years ago my grandmother was hospitalized for a broken hip, and while there caught pneumonia. One evening when I was sitting with her, she started carrying on a conversation with her son who had passed away as a young man nearly 50 years earlier. She was both lucid and joyous to be "seeing" him again, then she passed away from complications three or four days later.

A similar thing happened with my husband's grandfather. He was hospitalized for a terminal illness and he would also talk to his wife who had passed away about 20 years earlier. Granted both of these people were well up in their years (86 and 92, respectively), but they both achieved a certain peace of mind (or closure, perhaps
...) through these experiences.

Whether or not this phenomena is related to the misfiring of neurons in the brain, wishful thinking or even something on a much deeper, spiritual level remains to be seen. It could simply be the gradual acceptance of one's impending demise.



posted on Oct, 18 2010 @ 09:15 PM
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Very interesting topic. I had an uncle dying from cancer and in the last days of his life he started addressing his long dead mother as if she were somewhere he could see her. I was discussing this with a cousin who is a nurse and has worked in hopsice care and she mentioned that it is quite normal for dying patients to appear to be talking to deceased relatives. It certainly makes me wonder.

I did want to add that I am not a religious person and I did ask my cousin if she ever worked in a hospice that was religion specific or if she noticed a trend there. I am not sure about my uncle but I do know he had some Christian friends that used to bother him by wanting to save him all the time. So I have no idea how religion does fit in here but I would really love to see any scientific revelations in the matter.

It does seem like if there is something to this, as it seems to be observed, it is only a matter of time before we figure out a way to really look at what is going on. Or I would hope.

I can say I believe it, but not what I would think it means on that kind of larger level.
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posted on Oct, 18 2010 @ 09:27 PM
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Thanks for the post
The veil between this world and the next is thin.
I nursed a friend and was with her when she passed over.
My friend had no fear of death and welcomed it.
For me it is an experience I shall never forget - We got very close and spoke of everything and nothing.
She was convinced that her partner was waiting for her and before she died she said "I am ready now"
I do not believe death is the end as birth is not the begining also.
I would love to say many things but how could I ever proof what I truly feel inside.
Each night we slip into sleep and in effect we are gone from this Earth.
In dream we can meet loved ones who are passed over.
This life we call real is but a dream and one day we shall awaken and where we find our selves will be so familiar to us as though "The penny dropped" so to speak.
When we were born into this world we were greeted by ones who loved us who nurtured and guided us.
When we die I believe the same applys. We are never truly alone.



posted on Oct, 18 2010 @ 09:34 PM
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Snusfanatic, love the name.
sterk General porsjon is my fave.

Anyways, I believe like you that the dead indeed greet the living. I don't have any first hand stories to tell, just what was told to me by family.

My great grandmother who was sick one day took a turn for the worse. My grandmother and close family came to her side to spend the last moments with her. All of a sudden her eyes became clear, like the many years of old age was washed away. "Lars Otto!" she calmly exclaimed with a big smile on her face and said in Norwegian, "I thought you were dead".

My grandmother told me that she'd told everyone in the room with her that Lars Otto (my great grandfather) was there and he said everything would be ok and to not be afraid. A couple of hours later she died.

There's another story too, but unfortunately I don't recall it. But yeah, I wholeheartedly believe that there is an afterlife.

Good thread, starred and flagged.
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posted on Oct, 18 2010 @ 09:51 PM
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use logic, you can scratch pain medications as causing hallucinations as opiates don't cause hallucinations plus it would make sense God would send someone to greet you on your new life. God is merciful and loving above all else.



posted on Oct, 18 2010 @ 09:55 PM
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I agree that we can scratch opiates as a cause but I was reading a thread a while back about '___'. I saw someone say something about the brain releasing '___' around the time of death. If that is true, that would cause hallucinations. Does anyone have any insight to that?

Not trying to argue that it is not god or anything like that because I would still wonder about things. Like my Uncle saw grandma days before he actually died so I am curious if anyone knows about when and how '___' may be released into the system.

Just made me think of it because I know we were only feeding him morphine at the time of his death but he had seen his dead mother before we even got that filled.
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posted on Oct, 18 2010 @ 10:25 PM
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My significant other's Father died a couple years ago after a long battle with cancer.
It turned out that all his siblings ended up with it!

Anyhow Mr. was quite a joker and always had time to laugh.

Being dead a couple years before his sister took a turn for the worse with her cancer, he must have come back for her. She could be heard (while dying!) "Tom... Give it up! Take my hand! Tom! Come on! Take my hand!". This went on for quite some time before she finally stopped sooking and suddenly expired as if he finally grasped her and pulled her through.

It sounded as though he was holding out his hand and snapping it back just as she was grasping (In a "Too slow baby!" kind of way).
Needless to say we were all made believers.



posted on Oct, 18 2010 @ 10:45 PM
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i had a grandfather and great grandmother (my grandfathers mother) pass away within months of each other. she died before him btw. right before he past away he was asking who this little girl was, he had cancer and was drugged heavily so i shrugged it off. after reading about this i was thinking maybe that girl could of been his mother? maybe, maybe not i dont know.. interesting subject though



posted on Oct, 18 2010 @ 11:30 PM
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seems I do remember a family member or nurse mentioning that pop (granddad) was seeing some figures in white before passing but below is a firsthand account plain as day about the night or wee hours of the morning I dont remember my exact age either maybe @13 is my best rough guess

a friend and I had seen a winged heavenly being angel?/cherub?, it flew in from the south landed on the neighbors roof ridge across the street then walked eastward to the edge and started to look down as if into the garage of the house next to that one, when suddenly turned it’s head to look at me as if caught off gaurd-saw it (maybe he, strong looking) directly in the eyes, was bright white all over like lightning type of luminousity yet I could discern muscular tone, some time later, maybe a few weeks best I can remember, we found (second hand so? but was definately not living there any longer) the guy we called uncle Jesse because he looked like the guy from Dukes of Hazzard, had hung himself in that same garage and years later that same friend with me, who had only seen it flying back the way it came (I called him to window after seeing myself) was found still standing over his kitchen sink and had been like that a few days according to a mutual friend who also said he had drank himself to death
here are a few scriptures that fit descriptions of what the Israelites had witnessed and describe similar features that I find amazing to say the least-

Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow.-Matthew28.2

The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover.-Exodus25.20
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posted on Oct, 19 2010 @ 12:18 AM
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My grandpa was in the hospital to have a portion of his colon removed because doctors found polyps. The stitches started leaking, so they took him off of his blood pressure medicine. He died from a stroke some time later. My mom told me that when my grandpa died, he smiled and said, "Hi!", like he was talking to somebody. Then, he passed away. There was nobody standing where he was looking. I like to think that it was my grandma that he was talking to. She'd passed on a few years previously.



posted on Oct, 19 2010 @ 12:57 AM
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i remember about 15 years ago my mother got woken up by my now great grandfather that showed up on her bedside in spirit and let her know that he was going to leave now and that everything was going to be okay. She woke up from what she thought was a dream, whatever state she was in at that time, and got a call from our aunt telling her that he had just passed away.



posted on Oct, 19 2010 @ 01:03 AM
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Second hand story here - but days before my niece passed away from cancer, my mother says that my niece started seeing people around her. The most interesting one is that she saw a man eating a hotdog in the living room and asked who it was. Oddly, my niece didn't seem to recognize any of them as family members or friends. My mom attributes it all to hallucinations but I'm not so sure.



posted on Oct, 19 2010 @ 01:08 AM
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When my dad was dying from cancer he saw my brother, who died 3 years before him, at his hospital bed.
He said he was coming to pick him up and had whole conversations with him. Must add here that my father was pretty under from the morphine he got.

I personally believe what he saw.



posted on Oct, 19 2010 @ 01:23 AM
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My father died of ALS. I was right beside him holding his hand as he died, my mother was on the other side of him.

He was completely immobile at the time of his death, no ability to move his head, smile, talk... he could only blink his eyes.

Right before he took his last breath, he brought up his head, and smiled a brilliant smile, the likes of which I had almost forgotten, because it had been so long since he could smile. His eyes opened wide, and he turned his head to look into my eyes.

Then he made a complete scan of the ceiling, with his smile growing bigger. He looked at something there. I cannot stress that enough. He then turned his head toward my mother, smiled, kissed his lips at her, and then exhaled.

It was the most beautiful gift I could have ever received.

I believe completely that we are met at death. Our guardian angel is right there, as well as others.



posted on Oct, 19 2010 @ 02:02 AM
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Originally posted by Curiousisall
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Not trying to argue that it is not god or anything like that because I would still wonder about things. Like my Uncle saw grandma days before he actually died so I am curious if anyone knows about when and how '___' may be released into the system.

I give you '___' and raise you a kids dream.. '___' my ass...

Anyway..
I am going to add both here because they are both ironically interesting and go together because of what i am going to say..

My kids mothers grandmother prior to her dying she stated she had a chat with the kids mothers uncle which died well before i got into dating my kids mother, this was 9 yrs prior.. She also said she said she seen her dad who died in 1946 a few days before she died..

She also noted there were babies on the floor in the hospital she was staying at..(This I have heard numerous times in the past but never really ever hearing of it 1st hand.)
She stated some guy was up by her TV watching her with white hair..

These are all things she stated anywhere from a couple months to a day before she died..

After she died My son had a dream with his great grandmother in it.. he stated in this dream they were in this park and there was this old guy who was with them(my son had no clue who tf this guy was apparently cause he kept saying this old guy..) his mother asked him what he looked like and she later told me it was probably her grandmothers dad or some thing.. Now.. a couple weeks later they were going through her grandmother things and came across a bunch of images of her past.. My kid walks up and starts going through a few of them, he grabs one that was below a bunch of images and told his mother that the guy in his dreams was the same guy in the picture.. Interesting part of this is my kid was 7 at the time The guy was his great grandmothers father who she saw before she passed away.. he died in 46.. My son said he saw this guy with his great grandmother in his dreams..

I was curious and asked him if he said anything but my son said they guy never talked just him and his great grandmother was playing in this part while the old man watched...

Anyway, I do believe things like this happen.. There have been cases apon cases where things happen right before death.. I remember reading a long time ago where this guy was about to pass away and woke up briefly to tell his dog lets go(dog was sick at the house or something) a few minutes later the guy dies and the dog supposedly died around the same time.. That one is the most weird memorable one for me to remember...

Anyway there is more proof out there all you have to to is look on the internet.... and read stated cases where people are documented.. But like the person i quoted will try and disprove everything of an afterlife until you give him something hard to answer then he will become stupified or something.. ya know.. They are all like that.



posted on Oct, 19 2010 @ 02:55 AM
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I firmly believe that a dying person could well start to see into the next world.

But there are spirits that are very clever at impersonations, so you would have to trust your heart when you see them.



posted on Oct, 19 2010 @ 11:58 AM
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Hi,

could you elaborate on this? Like where you heard about this (or have first hand experience of this) and what these spirits are?

Thanks


Originally posted by NuclearPaul
I firmly believe that a dying person could well start to see into the next world.

But there are spirits that are very clever at impersonations, so you would have to trust your heart when you see them.



posted on Oct, 19 2010 @ 01:29 PM
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I am glad you started this thread, I have enjoyed reading the experiences. My experience is a little different. My grandma was in teh hospital after having a stroke unresponsive her children were there with her waiting on the end. I was laying in bed praying for her when she spoke to me in my head clear as day. she said "It's ok chris I'll be alright dont worry" needless to say this threw me for a loop. I got a call from my mom at the hospital a while later saying my grandma had passed at almost the exact time as I had heard her. I understand this isnt really in the discussion but I believe the seperation between this world and the next is very thin and there can deffenatly be communication between the two.





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