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Originally posted by IAMIAM
Hello my friend,
My conspiracy theory of the Bible is a bit different than yours. I have been following the thread and know we see things a bit differently. This is perfectly fine by me. However, I do wonder, what is your end game?
Supposing all you say is accurate, what is your final point? Are you suggesting that Jes.. who ever, is still alive or perhaps that he survived and had off spring?
Originally posted by facelift
reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic
Is it plausible to think that he staged or rather faked his own death – a conspiracy
Well, considering his birth, life, death, resurrection, ect., have all been faked (forged is a better word IMO), I'd say it's safe to say it was not plausible...
Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
It would be possible for reasonable people to read the stories as all the impossible things would simply be a faint memory from the time when the Christians worshipped miracles instead of carrying our crosses, working in God's service by healing the sick, helping the poor, visiting prisoners helping lost sheep back to their flock and so on. However, if we had all practised true Christianity based on the NT, using the books to wage war and subdue the populace would be impossible. At least that is my honest opinion. Or hope anyway.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
I have not caught up on this thread since earlier today but when I left the OP kept saying that the point to the OP was that scripture backs the claims the OP made and was wanting someone to try to say otherwise if they could.
OP....you know in scripture it goes on to talk of Jesus being placed in the tomb...that those who knew him best were with him. It goes on to talk of the scares they saw on his body when they later seen him after the tomb was empty.
So are you saying that one little part of scripture hides information but all the other information is a lie....
Did the ones that knew him know it was someone else on the cross? Is this your suggestion? Or that they knew it was not him and the authors only made things up to make it seem so?
Either way....there is a lie in the scriptures then...by what you are suggesting..and then you want scriptures to prove your wrong?
I dont get it, really.
So what about the ones that saw him, and saw his scares....was this Jesus or not? Is this made up or not? So do the scriptures hold truth or not>?
Do you not see something a miss with using scriptures to back up if your wrong or right? For the scriptures do suggests that those that loved him witnessed his death on the cross...knew of his tomb and visited it....saw him 'anew' with scares from the crucifixion.
I guess the reason I did not try to 'prove you wrong' like you were wanting others to try to do...because I see no point in taking any book of history as 100% proof of anything. Even if we do, like you are wanting....then one can say also, there is indeed proof in the scriptures that he did die and he was placed in a tomb and that people saw him with the scares.
Now...besides that...the place that is in the scriptures that always gave me a funny feeling was when he had trouble carrying the cross and another carried it for him. Again...I dont take scriptures as proof...but this part always seemed like it was missing something to it.
Ive read the idea in the gnostic gospel about it not being Jesus on the cross.
It did not feel right and goes against Jesus's honest nature to deceive people and I dont think that all of those that loved him would of let such a thing go unnoticed nor do I think they all would of backed such a deception when he taught them honesty and humbleness.
Jesus did not have to die....but he knew, fighting for his life was against everything he taught. He walked the walked...call it what you will.
Edit to add...if I misunderstood what your points were, my apologies, Im re reading it all with a fresh mind.
edit on 18-10-2010 by LeoVirgo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by IllMannered
In the bible Jesus died on the cross to save mankind from their sins.
It is our fault that he was crucified, and the only thing we benefited from it, was that "his big mouth was shut up" so to speek.
Originally posted by Hemisphere
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us." Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
I think you mean the Koran and Islamic tradition who actually holds Jesjuah as a prominent prophet. Somewhere in their texts it is explained how "Issa" was not the one who was crucified, but that he ran away and lived to be a 120 years old.