For all those people out there who question those of us who question global warming.

We are not global warming DENIERS. We mostly admit that climate change is happening. While we will happily admit that man made pollution has an environmental impact, it has never been possible for mankind to influence the weather on a planetary scale, and likely it never will be.

Mother Nature will always win in a battle of Mankind vs. The Elements.

What is interesting is the data being ignored by every single global warming climatolagist out there, that every other planet and moon in our solar system is also experiencing a warming trend at the current time. I would think that there is some sort of large mysterious ball of fire at the center of the solar system that is having an impact on ALL the planets.

Pretty sure that mankind hasn't made it to most of them yet, and even if they have, the pollution caused by a few astronauts or satellites / probes visiting is hardly enough to generate planetary climate change on other planets.

Man Made Global Warming alarmists need to stop ignoring the data from all the other planets, and the data from the ice core samples from Earth's own history. Data from "150 years of record keeping" doesn't cut it when there are billions of years worth of data available in core samples that contradict the last 150 years.

what ever happened to reason? people still bring up "climate-gate" (why does everything have to have -gate? so cliche), even tho it was proven to be a non-event. it was investigated and the results showed no wrong doing by those involved.

now when it comes to global warming, or as the republicans re-branded it, climate change, its really hard to see where the problem is. is the climate changing? all info points to yes. does man have a hand in that? all info points to yes. can man change the climate? massive deforestation and the atomic bomb points to yes.

for a real quick look at the situ, look at l.a. in the '80's. orange haze and acid rain. cali changed emission standards and look, the air and rain cleaned up (not completely, but its way better). another reasonable look is the think about gravity. all that crap we put into the air is going to come down, usually miles away from where it was spewed in the first place. now think about all the poisoned farmland in the country. all the poisoned water. gee, i wonder how that happened, if not for man?

now, my question is this. we know that oil and fossil fuels will run out, so why wait and get pinched? why wait for a "mad max" scenario when people are cutting their neighbors throats for a gallon of gas? whether we "go green" due to climate change, or just to get off oil, is not that end preferrable to the do nothing end?

personally, id rather fix a problem (use of fossil fuels) before it becomes necessary, than wait for it to bite me in the butt (running out).

Originally posted by stormson
what ever happened to reason? people still bring up "climate-gate" (why does everything have to have -gate? so cliche), even tho it was proven to be a non-event. it was investigated and the results showed no wrong doing by those involved.

LOL!

Originally posted by babybunnies
While we will happily admit that man made pollution has an environmental impact, it has never been possible for mankind to influence the weather on a planetary scale, and likely it never will be.

That is a flat out lie. It is completely possible for humans to destroy the atmosphere. Denying that is ridiculous. Destroying the atmosphere would destroy the weather.

Originally posted by babybunnies
Mother Nature will always win in a battle of Mankind vs. The Elements.

Yup, humans changing the atmosphere will cause Mother nature to kill humans.

Originally posted by tracer7

in his own resignation letter, a top scientist openly admits the big money, global warming scam.

To be honest.
There is "big money" on the other side of the fence you have to acknowledge.

It's mostly coming from "big oil", so there is room for bias there.

- Lee

Originally posted by stormson
what ever happened to reason? .

It doesnt pay nearly as well as denial and obfuscation.

this is the second line im supposed to have.

Originally posted by babybunnies
For all those people out there who question those of us who question global warming.

We are not global warming DENIERS. We mostly admit that climate change is happening. While we will happily admit that man made pollution has an environmental impact, it has never been possible for mankind to influence the weather on a planetary scale, and likely it never will be.

Interesting. Care to explain

how you come to that conclusion?

You simplify climate science in order to put it in a box and kick it. Those who study the stuff laugh at this.

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
Can someone please tell me at what point in recent history we deliberately bred in ignorance and complacency to the point where we just take everything thats thrown at us as gospel just because people with lots of money at stake say so?

December 24th, 1906... first radio broadcast.

Thats the problem with human beings we focus on one thing to blame when infact its always a combination of things that is usually the answer.

FACT: CO2 does cause the greenhouse effect hence tons of it getting pumped in the atomosphere will cause global warming.

FACT: Trees suck up CO2 and make O2. We kill all the trees for homes and department stores and factories and parking lots ect. then less of it gets sucked up and to boot thiers less air to breathe. We need to grow more trees or plants that suck up the CO2 to balance the problem no need for a tax.

FACT: Cows and other live stock put a more dangerous greenhouse gas in the air which is methane it is 20 times more poteint as a greenhouse gas then CO2. The #1 cause of this gas is from our garbage but we have found we can collect it and use it for fuel to keep emmisions low. We can use the methane to help our energy needs and kill a worse greenhouse gas at the same time.

Fat Knowledge: Cows vs. Cars: Greenhouse Gases (if the link donesn't work just google it interesting I thought)

FACT: CO2 is not the only thing that these corporations are spewing out into our air as it was mentioned before so why is CO2 the only gas thats getting singled out. What about all the other crap that hurts the air we breathe or the water we drink. why not some attention on that issue as well??? Why not make these CO2 pumping corporations suck back up what they spew out somehow instead of some greedy ass tax that won't put a dent in thier profit making. This tax will just get passed to us anyway with higher costs. Make them responsible for once already.

FACT: The unknown fact is that the earth does go though cycles of warmer and colder periods. Bad things can happen due to nature itself and we have no control over that period. I do however think we have the capabilities to make it worse or better.

FACT: I am sure I missed other things that contribute to the whole global warming phenomenon and I am certain its not just one simple factor thats driving the whole process. I do know however once you factor in mother nature we all lose. The only thing we can ever possibly do to is make the situation better or worse.

Final words: I do believe global warming is real but I dont think we are the direct cause. We are only a part of the cause and we have the means to make it better or worse and a tax just wont do it. This tax is a part of some other agenda and will not help the problem in any way shape or form. It will just make hard working people more poor and the Corps. will still pump the CO2 in the air and whatever else for that matter. The government needs to stop putting band-aids on problems that need open heart surgery. WE THE PEOPLE need to stop talking about these problems and we need to start taking action........ NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here's some info from the link i posted that didnt work if you wanna read more i guess googlr it i can't get my link to work sorry..

Cows vs. Cars: Greenhouse Gases
I was curious about the impact of one cow vs. one car in terms of greenhouse gases emitted. A cow doesn't emit carbon dioxide (well not that much) but rather methane gas as a byproduct of the bacteria that are digesting the grasses in its stomachs (yes a cow has 4 stomachs). So I tracked down some facts and figures:

A gallon of gasoline turns into 20 pounds of CO2 (source)
Average car drives 15,000 miles a year and gets 30 mpg (my estimates, might be a little high on the mpg estimate)
15,000 miles /30mpg = 500 gallons of gasoline a year * 20 pounds = 10,000 lbs of CO2 a year

A cow produces up to 90kg of methane a year (source .pdf)
Methane is over 20 times more effective in trapping heat in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide (source)
90 kg * 2.2 lb/kg = 200 lbs of methane * 20 = 4,000 lbs of CO2 equivalent greenhouse gases

A car emits 2.5 times as much greenhouse gases as a cow. Amazing that a cow emits that much and yet gets very little talk in terms of environment impact.

What about total world impact? There are 1.5 billion cows and buffalos (I am assuming that buffalos have similar methane outputs) (source from Eco-Economy using Amazon's search in book feature) and 532 million cars (same source different page). Using the 2.5 factor, cows emit 112% as much as the cars. This means cows have just as big an impact as cars and maybe even slightly more in terms of global warming. Maybe we should be focusing on making our cows more efficient rather than our cars.

I always here about how "any self respecting scientist would scoff at the idea" or whatever, but I've never seen anyone lay out in a simple physics equation format why global warming is such a sham. Every article about it I find just seems to be layer upon layer of bull#, can anyone just give me the down and dirty of why the greenhouse effect isn't being artificially stimulated by our actions?

Global warming? What is that, is that that thing that Al Gore created...kinda like the internet. ?? I'm such a confused little pee on, my brain has been fried by corporate media lies, and fluoride in the water, oh don't forget about the mercury in the high fructose corn syrup. Not to mention the GMO foods that Monsanto puts out, or doesn't, hmmmm Monsanto just also bought Blackwater...how convenient. Its so nice that everyone talks about everything in this crazy thing the internet, without we would be powerless, not like we aren't already.... lol, I almost forgot, they will soon end that mode of information exchange...turn the TV on kids, because that is what will be "their" last straw. Happy Hallogivingxmas haunnaka! Resist the NWO and the Zionist Jews that control the world along with our Queen almighty! FML

Doesn't all of Earth's Vegetation breathe C02?

If you own 1 car plant three trees. With a ratio of 1/3 if "global warming" were real, with enough new vegetation we could get rid of excess C02.

Unless of course "global warming" really is just an agenda to have an excuse to tax people more...and to convince people that depopulation is a good thing.

Originally posted by cushycrux
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Ignorance and fear? Pollution is not healthy, right?

Except that Climate Change "AGW" is being blamed on CO2 and CO2 is NOT pollution, and in fact MORE CO2 levels are healthier for all plant life on Earth as well as all life on Earth.

Yes, it has a lot to do with ignorance, the ignorance of people who prefer to swallow the lies of the multi-billion, if not multi-trillion AGW scam, and instead of knowing the fact that dozens, upon dozens of research and decades of knowledge have to tell us about CO2 you prefer to believe the lie that CO2 is a "pollutant" and "not healthy"...

For crying out loud the EPA has been TRYING to make WATER VAPOR a pollutant as well... but people like yourself are so brainwashed, and you are so loving it that you can't see the trees in the forest...