Clinton: US working to ending Mexico drug violence

I don't even know where to start with that article. I will say this, watch for increased cartel violence and activity along and near the southern border. The cartels have sent hit squads who are, more than likely, along the border right now. The cartels have put bounties on the heads of local US law enforcement and one deputy was already shot a few months ago. The head of the Zetas has said he planned on planting land mines and road side bombs along the border and along trafficking routes in expectation of increased activity this fall. What activity could he be referring to?

Well, there is at least one US militia currently involved in Operation Defiant Sentinel which is admittedly a search and destroy mission seeking cartel scouting posts and weapon caches hidden near the border and along trafficking routes.

There has been evidence of rival cartel groups colluding and cooperating to take more control of the border area.

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Considering all this one has to wonder what the point of Clinton's speech was and why the CFR would be so interested in arguing against the idea, especially since the article makes it seem like Obama and Clinton are on opposing sides even though she is in his cabinet and both have been known to attend the same Bilderberg meetings.

Few people in America know of, or understand the extent of the chaos and distress in Arizona. The facts have been purposely downplayed and distorted in the mainstream media. There are 370 miles of unsecured international border between Arizona and Mexico which have become overrun by drug smuggling, human trafficking, and extreme violence.

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Originally posted by jrod
It takes a bit of skill to grow quality cannabis, growers will most certainly have a market. Besides Americans tend to be lazy(especially if you want to stereotype) and probably won't grow their own. Brewing alcohol is not that difficult, but its cheaper and easier to go to the store and buy booze.

It's the time that's required to produce alcohol that's not going to be accepted by anyone who wants to start drinking now. They could build a still, but that can be potentially dangerous.

It is simply not true that some of the great artists only inspire drug users.

"Great" is merely an opinion. Impressionism was considered to be works of untalented artists. Everyone to their own desires though.

My point about anti-depressants is there is such a thing as a happy pill and while many people need them to function there is a huge black market for prescription drugs, not just Rx narcotics.

The black market exists because the availability of certain products aren't as easily aquired as as the consumer would like. They are willing to pay a little more for something if what they're looking for can be purchased immediately.

There are cannabinoid receptors in the human brain which supports cannabis being used medically.
en.wikipedia.org...

Most drugs that alters the mental state affects the receptors. If this were not so, the substance wouldn't have any effect on the user.

Originally posted by Intelearthling

Originally posted by buster2010
If you want to get rid of the violence you need to take out the profit. It's time to legalize it and tax it so can make the money ourselves. Looks like the states didn't learn anything from prohibition.

I'd like to know exactly how legalization of drugs will take out the profit? Legaliztion may lead to more demand thus increasing prices. Taxes on using drugs is a joke. This will only open the doors to other forms of taxes that have no constitutional basis.

Drug use is a thrill to the user because in the back of the users mind, it is illegal. Making drugs leagal may also lead to a decreased demand and the cartels will be targeting younger victims to get addicted to their product.

The only real way to deal with drugs is to just quit its usage. The only thing true about drugs is that it gets a person high. Everything else is false. e.g. Drugs makes a person happy or drugs makes a person more creative.

If a person is high, how do they know if they're really happy or creative?

Just as it did with alcohol when it was made legal again violence from the gangs stopped simply because they couldn't keep up with the corporations. California says if they legalize it they estimate at least a billion dollars a year just think how much that could be nation wide? People target kids now the only thing that will stop that is parents doing their job drug cartels won't bother trying to smuggle drugs simply because there won't be enough profit in it. Look at all the music and art that has been created while a person is high practically all the music from 60's and 70's came from people while they were high. Of course not doing drugs is the best solution but lets look at reality here that's not going to happen. The US is a drug addicted society. Mankind has been using pot for over 4,000 years for both medicinal and recreational purposes. If people can't get drugs off of the street they will get them from the doctors and the stuff they get from the doctors have way more severe side effects than pot.

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Don't Exspect it to End anytime soon , the DEA And the Obama Administration are Ready to Crack Down on Cally' Big time .


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Originally posted by jrod

Originally posted by Intelearthling

Originally posted by jrod
It takes a bit of skill to grow quality cannabis, growers will most certainly have a market. Besides Americans tend to be lazy(especially if you want to stereotype) and probably won't grow their own. Brewing alcohol is not that difficult, but its cheaper and easier to go to the store and buy booze.

It's the time that's required to produce alcohol that's not going to be accepted by anyone who wants to start drinking now. They could build a still, but that can be potentially dangerous.

It takes time for a seed to grow into a plant, less time than it takes to brew alcohol or wine. There only danger of brewing wine or beer is the police busting down your door thinking you have a meth lab. I have no experience is moonshining and making a still but I assume it would take less than 3 months(the min. time needed for a seed to be harvested) and only dangerous for an idiot to do it.

My point about anti-depressants is there is such a thing as a happy pill and while many people need them to function there is a huge black market for prescription drugs, not just Rx narcotics.

Originally posted by Intelearthling
The black market exists because the availability of certain products aren't as easily aquired as as the consumer would like. They are willing to pay a little more for something if what they're looking for can be purchased immediately.

The is no lack of availability for Rx drugs, hence why there are so popular. The demand is high because people are addicted to them and people with low incomes generally can not afford to get a doctor to prescribe it. Many wealthy people are addicted and abuse Rx meds legally because they can afford(or the insurance can) to see a doctor feel good to get their fix.

To keep my post on topic. Clinton's speech was nothing but hot air, she doesn't have a clue what to really do with the Mexican drug violence. Legalization WILL CUT PROFITS FROM THE CARTEL but no life long politician is willing to put their head on the chopping block and promote that simple fact.

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They might want to crack down on cali but I don't see how they could without the help of local law enforcement.

2nd line.

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" The ballot measure would block state police officers from seizing marijuana that complies with state law. That would be a "significant impediment" for federal agents, Mr. Holder wrote, because the federal government typically works with local law enforcement when carrying out marijuana and other drug busts. "

This is True . It would Take an Army of Federal Agents to Enforce the Federal Law againt Pot without the Help of Local Police . I wouldn't Put it Pass them not to do just that if they somehow deemed it in their warped Logic to do so though .

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It really drives home the point that citizens being empowered through voting is just sadly not true anymore...

Feds- "Oh, you all voted and the bill passed? Too bad, we know better than you, and we're gonna fight this green menace with every resource available!" Ridiculous. :/

Originally posted by NewlyAwakened
The drug cartels would disappear almost immediately, and the corresponding violence would cease, if drugs were legalized.

Would be exactly the same as what happened when Prohibition was repealed.

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This is true, but in the long term.

Right now the cartels are extremely powerful, they are literally fueled by billions of dollars.

Of course the "War on Drugs" caused this artificial power vacuum but even with the legalization of drugs it will take time to take power away. Of course it is the first step.

The "War on Drugs" is a gigantic failure because it is fundamentally immoral,

It treats innocent people like violence criminals and does not in any way deal with the problems of drug addiction and abuse. In many ways it amplifies these problems by creating ignorance about substances and putting control in the hands of criminals.

Prohibition empowers violent people. It is motivated by the "criminal industrial complex" and is sustained by ignorance and propaganda.

Originally posted by Onix Verumi
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It really drives home the point that citizens being empowered through voting is just sadly not true anymore...

Feds- "Oh, you all voted and the bill passed? Too bad, we know better than you, and we're gonna fight this green menace with every resource available!" Ridiculous. :/

Americans, myself included believe in the Democratic process. When Big Brother disregards that process stand by for the STHTF.

And this is coming from the idiot who didn't kill Bin Laden?

SMH, shut up and go back to importing coc aine thru Arkansas airports.