Merkel says German multicultural society has failed

Hmm...

I wonder how multiculture here in America is doing:











Yeah, I'd say America's case of being a multicultured nation died as well.

reply to post by Raider of Truth


I could not agree with you more. Multiculturalism has failed terribly, the whole plan was to bring in the immigrants after WW2 and then the Communists/Socialists/Liberals installed politically correct to stop people from bringing up real issues about culture. If you say you want your culture back you're immediately called Far-Right reactionary and xenophobic, well they can call me whatever they want.

The West is dying and the people who continue to defend such actions that occurring today in the West are the contributors to the death of their nations, so I hope they are #ing happy. They got what they always wanted, to destroy culture, destroy race, turn people against each other, divide the nation and then dictate to us the idea that we should all be equal and hold hands in a utopia. The fact is they have torn us apart, they have destroyed our culture, they have silenced us, they have split communities.

Each nation or region has its own special culture which should be respected but they don't see it that way. Every left-wing social movement that has occurred has only driven a larger wedge into society. Everything has become about money and self interest because they have pushed that 'enlightenment' view of 'individualism' which has destroyed morality and turned neighbor against neighbor all for self-interest and personal gain.

How many people actually care about their local community? Would help strangers without gaining anything return? How many would be volunteer firefighters or police officers, willing to donate your time to protect community? 90% would say they are just too busy to make time for that. Our cultures are dying and the Liberals/Socialists/Communists are laughing. Then they try and belittle us and push us into a corner by calling us Fascists and Nazi's.

Ever think we are just peaceful people who simply want a society which is based on our culture? If we want to see a different culture we should be able to go to Egypt or China or Brazil and see a different culture, not go down the street.

I can't help but oppose the ideas which I see contributing to our death; individualism, modernity, social progress and liberalism. Social Progress sounds all nice and good until you look into it, Modernity sounds like a great thing until its studied.

Originally posted by The Revenant
You should read the "Spirit Level". It might do your right-wing brain some good to get a little fairness in your life

I can live side by side with muslims just fine...I can respect their practices without needing to change them. And I trust they can respect my practices without needing to change mine. Mutual respect.

Them respecting my life involves them not blaring from their minarets into my morning bedroom. Me respecting their lifestyle invovles being OK with them to wear Burkas, for example.

Live and let Live. If that makes me a "right-wing-brain" so be it.

Originally posted by Raider of Truth
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How's it worked out for you then?

Pretty good!

Hatred,racism,tensions, ghettos, run down cities, mass immigration.

All things which are indicative of humans... regardless of cultural mix... remember your history... before the vikings terrorized Europe... they terrorized themselves first...

These things are not the result of multiculturalism... but of humanity in general...

Either way you also leave out all the great things about American multiculturalism... like my family for example, my wife's family is half Black, half Cherokee.. I'm half English and half Norwegian (Great Grandad on both sides were immigrants)... we're pregnant right now with what will be yet another new breed of human...

Mix that with where we live, a neighborhood in metro Atlanta where the boy my son plays with is Persian, they live behind us, right next to the folks from India, the others from Canada, and the folks from Rhode Island.

I'm a rapper in Atlanta, and enjoy many of the benefits of our multicultural city....

Yes there is hatred, but that's been with humanity since the beginning...

Your reputation is in tatters most of the world hates you and now you have right wing militias everywhere with an economy that could collapse with China's money.

Governments are always hated... but to paraphrase Joan Jett "I don't give a damn about my bad reputation" ;-)

If your not living here in Europe you don't see what's going down the mexicans and cubans are nothing to the colonisation we are facing.

Well that's not because of multiculturalism.. thats because of tribalism... you see every nation over there in Europe has an ethnic background, and has been predominantly made up of that ethnic background...

We here in America don't have that situation... America is built around the process of integration and immigration, and yes we have been "colonized" before and those folks were hated and discriminated against... the Irish, the Norwegians, the Jews, the Polish, the Italians, the Japanese... all of which came to these shores and each of which, after a time of initial backlash have been integrated... because there is no ethnicity to the United States of America.

Also how is American culture multicultural. Your telling me you are happy to see Mosques everywhere, bin bags walking everywhere (burka), armies of offspring outbreeding your people. Do you have that?

First you have to define "your people"... as I mentioned above, there is no ethnicity to "my people", so I see Mexicans when I go to the Mexican part of town, I see Asians when I go down Buford Highway (or certain clubs on Wednesday), I see African Americans when I'm in the West End.... We are all ATLiens and we are all Americans.

And yes, now we see more Ha-jibs etc.... just as I see Irish Pubs, and Irish Catholic Private Schools, and Jewish Private schools and their synagogues... there are even Indian temples and Siehk temples as well.

The Muslims I run into here in Atlanta embrace our constitution... that's why they are here to begin with... what they want is freedom... I'm not sure what those who have moved to Europe want...

Do you allow Muslims their own laws like Sharia?

We don't have predominately Muslim areas in Atlanta, and no... once again.. Muslims who come to America that I have spoke to come for the freedom from Sharia....

If you don't have it like us,you will do soon. Oceans only stop things..for a time at least.

edit on 17/05/09 by Raider of Truth because: (no reason given)

Well we survived every alien European ethnicity which ever immigrated to our shores... we even survived alien Asian ethnicity and alien Latin American ethnicity.

I'm guessing we are going to survive the other ethnicities which come as well...

And the only reason is because of our constitution...

reply to post by SeventhSeal


I'd say you are wrong...

that's called democracy you showed photos of.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Them respecting my life involves them not blaring from their minarets into my morning bedroom.

Live and let Live. If that makes me a "right-wing-brain" so be it.

Dude, I so agree. I get the cold shoulder in my neighborhood 'cause I called the cops on the Baptist church one block down. There's no way their bells were within a reasonable decibel level. And it's every hour and half hour! JHC.

reply to post by Misoir



Not all communities are like those you describe, some of us Liberals still have our cultural traditions and are quite defensive of them.. and those traditions are more at threat from those in London than they are at the hands of some johnny foreigner.

Multi-culturalism is just another one of those ism's that will not work when it has been forced or socially engineered.. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to see where this mess leads to next, and I for one hope it won't be nasty.

I understand..
We are living through the same problem in sweden.. the imigration from the islamic countries is cost the taxpayers fantasy number of money..and the crime rate are going thru the roof..and the numbers from statistics are saying the same thing every year, the criminals of sexual or violens crimes are highly overrepresented by islamic men..
This is no wish..this is numbers..People are afraid..

reply to post by centurion1211


Assimilate to what?

Not going to pick on anyone in particular. I'm just going to put some points out there that are empirical, so we can all stop our speculation and tone down our ignorant rhetoric (ignorant in the true sense of the word, not as an insult).

Here are some tidbits based on anthropology and linguistics that may help everybody understand a little something about what assimilation/acculturation is and also what it is not.

Regarding European nations: Diachronically (meaning looking throughout time), we can see a continuous trend of centralization of power. I'm no expert on European history. However, I will say the following from a linguistic perspective alone (and keep in mind that language and culture are intertwined and inseparable): If you look at the major European capitals (Paris, Madrid, London, etc.) and you think about the modern countries built around these capitals, you soon realize that there is no "French" or "Spanish" or "English". There are only those varieties of speech spoken by the affluent and powerful in the capitals that was later imposed on the smaller backwaters, regional capitals and country towns within the contemporary boundaries.

Case in point: Spain.

Spain is the nation whose history and language I understand the best. Rome conquered the area we call Spain and when Rome collapsed, a power vacuum was filled with Germanic tribes. Not all those people living within the Iberian Peninsula were Latinized when the Germanic tribes took over. Latin was the power language, despite the fall of Rome, but that did not stop the Celtic peoples of Spain, as well as the Basques from merging and mixing their dialects with that of Latin and their new regional masters and their Germanic dialects. By 711, Spain was invaded by Arabic speaking (although Arabic as a control language could also be discussed here vis-a-vis Latin in Spain, but I'm not writing a book). So, during 700 plus years of Muslim control, Arabic merged with Germanic, Latin, Celtic, Basque, Sephardic Hebrew and other pre-Roman dialects to create what we call in Linguistics a "dialect continuum". You could have easily snaked along from Point A (say, Porto, Portugal) to a point Z (let's say, Dunkerque, France for one possible route). A to B would understand each other with some issues. A to C would have more difficulty understanding each other. By the time you get all the way to point E, you are probably going to have communication breakdown. A to Z, forget it, one will not understand the other...too many changes and differences, relating to culture/language.

What's my point?

Easy: If you go to Spain today, sure, you'll see some dialectal differences, but they are outside of the Mainstream. What is the mainstream language in Spain? Spanish, of course. But what is "Spain" and what is "Spanish"? It's just the language that a group of economically and politically powerful elite decided would be the de jure language of control and sovereignty. But that is linked to that group, and not to a small town in Extremadura Province, Navarre, or Barcelona, for example.

So then really, what is Spain other than a centralization of power through a nationalized language and culture?

Originally posted by OddTimeSignature
I understand..
We are living through the same problem in sweden.. the imigration from the islamic countries is cost the taxpayers fantasy number of money..and the crime rate are going thru the roof..and the numbers from statistics are saying the same thing every year, the criminals of sexual or violens crimes are highly overrepresented by islamic men..
This is no wish..this is numbers..People are afraid..

You wouldn't happen to have any figures related to the proportion of Swedish society that "Islamic men" make up of the unemployed or underemployed or know how nice, honest, generous, upstanding Swedes feel about these men and how they treat them (though not necessarily in Internet forums), would you?

reply to post by Hadrian


Ok..I understand your message..and its far far away from all islamic men who falling in the criteria i mentioned..
The most part of islamic people are good people, but sometimes the culture crash is just to big..
The figures you are looking for are on the scb site..the swedish bureu of statistic..

I think that you really can't blame the immigrants for coming.

They are the same as all of us, they want a roof over their heads, to be able to put food on the table for their families, etc.

If you live in a poor country and hear that if you just turn up in England that they'll give you a house, food, money, free transport, free healthcare, free education, you'll never have to work, and don't even need to speak the language because they'll provide interpreters for you - what would you do?

That's why they come, and it isn't their fault, it's the idiots who make it possible - but they allow it because they are buying votes to keep themselves in power.

Thing, is, they're buying votes with other peoples money.

Of course you could argue that you end up with a lot of undesirables, because of course nothing is really free, and the kind of people who'd happily sit there doing nothing while others have to work longer and harder to keep them are not going to be "good" people.

Maybe that's why we get so many Islamic immigrants - they hate the West and so probably like that.

I think this is why 30 years ago 1 adult from a family could work full time, but now you need both adults working to pay the bills - because we're having to pay for so many people who contribute nothing.

As a result people get fed up, and with both parents working the family unit dissolves, and so society is dealt a series of huge whammies which end up with no one benefiting.

Except those who don't/won't work.

I think we need a shift in societies outlook - look at all of the tv shows that are essentially about the same thing - the "property investing" shows, the "talent" shows, the "heir hunters" etc, etc - they are all about getting something for nothing.

We seem to have a society full of talentless wannabees who think that they deserve to be famous and/or get rich by doing nothing much really, and without having to contribute anything either.

These ideals need to change.

I admire Merkel for saying it, I doubt the spineless English politicians will do the same thing.

reply to post by SeventhSeal


Agreed...It is a dying concept.

No sh%t Sherlock. That's what we in Holland figured out ten years ago.

reply to post by SeventhSeal



Are many of them even trying to assimilate?

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Is this the beginning of

WW3?

reply to post by The Revenant


It's pretty difficult to live somewhere where everyone is different to tell you the truth...

Lets just take religion as an example of seperatism.... if you have Christians, Jews & Muslims all building their Churches, Temples & Mosques... you are asking for trouble.... especially when there are wars going on at the moment involving those 3 religeous groups!!

Another barrier is language.... when there's lots of different people speaking lots of different languages you do start to feel kinda like a minority in your own country...

And i have to agree with some other posters who have said certain religeous groups have an Agenda to have loads of children so that one day the country they live in will be more of that group.... i see it in certain parts of England..... you wouldnt think you were in England if you visited say 'Bradford' for example.... you'd think you were in Afghanistan or Iraq. There are other areas too.... even in London there are areas which just dont look English anymore....

What about Schools.... this is another problem where the basis of Multiculturalism isnt working because you have Seperatist schools popping up.... all this is doing is saying 'we don't want YOU to associate yourselves with THEM' .... it's downright teaching Facism right there and then...

It was fine back in the 80's and early 90's but now there's just too many IMO.

Originally posted by The Revenant


To hear it coming from Germany, once again, is just dumb-founding.



www.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

Lets be realistic, most ACTUAL NAZIS have already passed away, the German people of today are nothing like what people have imagined in the past. So, nothing is coming from Germany "once again" they are just a group of people worried about immigration.....kind of like America..

reply to post by hyperion.martin


You don't understand the power of the ethnicity do you?