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Originally posted by wayno
reply to post by DSSONE
You say: " I do not see much integration in the cities and towns I travel to in the north west! "
I am going to be blunt about this. I live in Canada and have bumped shoulders with plenty of ex-pat Brits of every stripe and demeanor. Even the nicest of them seem to have this inbred distaste for people from the Middle East and to a lesser degree, people of other cultures.
That is an observation consistently repeated in my 62 years of life here. I have no explanation for it. It is just so. I completely believe that multiculturism is a difficult thing to accept for most of you there other than a quaint curiosity or source of ethnic "take-away".
Something I am tempted to tell all the Americans on the anti-immigration bandwagon, perhaps YOU should consider returning to wherever it was your ancestors came from. Leave America to the natives and new immigrants who don't have problem with it.
Originally posted by Raider of Truth
reply to post by HunkaHunka
How's it worked out for you then?
Hatred,racism,tensions, ghettos, run down cities, mass immigration. Your reputation is in tatters most of the world hates you and now you have right wing militias everywhere with an economy that could collapse with China's money.
If your not living here in Europe you don't see what's going down the mexicans and cubans are nothing to the colonisation we are facing.
Also how is American culture multicultural. Your telling me you are happy to see Mosques everywhere, bin bags walking everywhere (burka), armies of offspring outbreeding your people. Do you have that?
Do you allow Muslims their own laws like Sharia?
If you don't have it like us,you will do soon. Oceans only stop things..for a time at least.edit on 17/05/09 by Raider of Truth because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Doujutsu
Originally posted by Dark Ghost
Multiculturalism is one of the biggest Wolves in Sheep's Clothing ideas in modern times.
The goals of this ideology appear peaceful and unifying from outside, but at its core this is a simple Divide and Conquer technique encouraging Conflict and Division.
Hmm sounds interesting.
I was reading protocols of the elders of Zion the other day and one of the goals that was stated in it was.
•Start fights between different races, classes and religions
You think theres some conspiracy there?
Originally posted by Cythraul
Originally posted by wayno
I believe strongly in multicultualism, but I also understand if someone wants to marry withing their ancestral group. No big deal. Why the paranoia? Just because some might alternatively want to marry someone from a different background, also Big Deal! Their decision does not affect yours in any way.
No, you're actually right! And this is why I've moved away from my former Nationalist beliefs somewhat. England will never be overwhelmingly English again. The only thing that can make it so is forced repatriation, which is a frightening, fascist tactic I will never lend support to. I've come to the sombre conclusion that all I (and others proud of their English identity) can do is to preserve it within our own personal lives and families.
However... you say no-one's stopping me from doing this. I'm afraid you're wrong. You may be enlightened enough to accept ethnic preservation on an individual level, but most pro-multiculturalists are not. If I admitted in public that I will only ever reproduce with another ethnic-English person I would be ripped to shreds. Furthermore, our children are being indoctrinated to want mixed-race relationships. It's not State policy yet but it's coming.
Originally posted by destination now
reply to post by maybereal11
Oy you forgot the Scots lol okay celts, picts whatever...that is ancient history though and as ubermensch pointed out we are all ultimately related...
But how we have developed through the millennia is also important and to keep saying, well you are not English, American, German etc as you are all descened from everyone, doesn't really solve today's problems! We may be all the same people, but we are living in different times
Originally posted by ChiefHuntingBear
reply to post by something wicked
I assume that you agree with Woodrow Wilson who said that the League Against Colonialism was racist. Do you know how viciously the Conquistadors slaughtered everyone they encountered in the so-called "New World"? Their Latino descendants have no right to squat here; We remaining three million indigenous tribespeople of the continent you mistakenly call North America determine who are citizens are.
Originally posted by wayno
reply to post by something wicked
Canada, where I live, is in North America! Did someone change that??
Brits have garnered a certain amount of resentment for their many years of acting superior to everyone else. They might have been from poor circumstances back home, but once here, they saw themselves as the "upper class" relative to everyone else. I guess they relished a chance to give what they got.
I think its petered out tho and today in Canada at least, it is your skills and character that are looked at moreso than your ethnic background. I am not saying prejudice doesn't exist; just that there is a degree of sensibility taking hold. I think its great and feel sorry for those around the world that are having such difficulty with the concept (of multiculturalism).
Originally posted by wayno
reply to post by something wicked
Yea, I think I misread your original word, "America". We Canadians surely do not like to be confused with those down south of us.
I am all for multi-culturalism, but I am also for being realistic. Sometimes ethnicity or race is a factor that has to be considered -- crime being an example. If statistics show a scue for a particular group then that needs to be dealt with honestly and directly. If in fact there is more crime attributable to one group; then that information should help us find the root cause. Crimes usually come out of poor living circumstances and have nothing to do with ethnicity per se and so while statistics should not be used to slander the whole group, nor should they be ingnored in the name of silly political correctness.
People who don't think things through often end up with bad conclusions. Not being honest or realistic is one of those poor conclusions. It is not that we acknowledge or address the facts of a person's appearance, culture or background, its the negative stereotypes, or pre-judgments we make about those things that is wrong.
I looked up "Terrapin Island Native American" to try and learn more about what you're talking about and where you're coming from in this discussion. "Terrapin Island" only turned up references to a South Carolina island that had turtles on it. My more complete search term turned up only one site for me about the First People of Canada and North America. That site was a bit commercial--offering up art and poetry but no real information I could take away to help me understand your comments better and your insistence that we are using a false name. The First People on that site themselves use the name "Canada" and "North America". I could find nothing indicative of a wish to remove non First People from the continent. So I have to admit I come up empty in understanding this social movement that you seem to be claiming to represent to reclaim your ancestral lands and culture from the newcomers at large. Can you please provide references so I can learn more? I don't know if they will help me in THIS discussion but I am interested in learning more just out of intellectual curiosity.
Originally posted by ChiefHuntingBear
reply to post by SheeplFlavoredAgain
SheepFlavoredAgain, I'm glad you're here to give an honest reaction to my arguments about the problems Chancellor Merkel sees with multi-culturalism in Deutschland. Rather than drop out of this conversation because you feel you don't have anything unique to say why don't you act as a soundingboard or at least a witness? Would multi-culturalism be worthwhile even if it were attainable?
Originally posted by ChiefHuntingBear
reply to post by something wicked
Something Wicked, my indigenous Terrapin tribespeople have been here since they sprang up out of the ground millions of years ago and some of our remains in the southeast portion of Terrapin Island have been proven by carbon dating and even more accurate electron resonance imaging to be seventy thousand years old. We are not related, for instance, to the homo sapien species of humans that sprang up from Egypt, who have no right to name places much less live here.