Merkel says German multicultural society has failed

Merkel says German multicultural society has failed

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Attempts to build a multicultural society in Germany have "utterly failed", Chancellor Angela Merkel says.

In a speech in Potsdam, she said the so-called "multikulti" concept - where people would "live side-by-side" happily - did not work.

Mrs Merkel's comments come amid recent outpourings of strong anti-immigrant feeling from mainstream politicians.

A recent survey showed that more than 30% of Germans believed Germany was "overrun by foreigners".

The study - by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation think-tank - also showed that roughly the same number thought that some 16 millio

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I'm scared.

What is happening to us in Europe? Have we forgotten the lessons of the past? Millions of us died, from all corners of the globe, so that the lessons learnt from the collapse of fascism could be indellibly printed upon our minds for all time.

In every country in Europe, we have this debate - is Islam welcome? Can Islam be allowed to co-exist with other religions or cultural dispositions?

To hear it coming from Germany, once again, is just dumb-founding.

We cannot allow the Jewish question to become the Islamic question - let alone the Islamic Solution.

Islam should be welcome wherever and whenever. It should be allowed to co-exist and cohabit in any given free and democratic society. Anything less is unjust, and fascist.

I'm sure that Angela Merkel is just voicing the opinion that many normal Germans / Europeans / non-Muslim western citizens are thinking. But to do so reveals a shadow - a shadow that we thought had died in a bunker long ago. Can this debate be completed without the shadow coalescing into something more? Or are we condemned to reliving the lives of our ancestors, relearning their lessons - at the cost of blood, progress and humanity?

Discuss, and be civil.

Rev.

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Nationalism is what kept Europe Strong for the Last 2000 Years . Now , it has become a Homogenized Lump of Clay . Good Luck with that Mates..........

heard that today in the news.

They failed 15 or maybe more years ago.Not now. Thats my opinion.

At least im surprised she admit it in the Media.
Im not scared that we fall back to history.Please dont start the Nazi thing.
But the World should keep an eye on the Politic situation here now.

I think same stuff happend everywhere at the moment...

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
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Nationalism is what kept Europe Strong for the Last 2000 Years . Now , it has become a Homogenized Lump of Clay . Good Luck with that Mates..........

Nationalism by itself is a method of deciding that grey is black or white. Depending on your mood.

Inadequate, outmoded, and unintelligent. It is the weakest link - Goodbye.

Rev.

We can never let the hauntings of the past resurface in any fasion. Fascism began the same way the current nationalist and anti-immigrant sentiment began. With a downturn of the economy and fighting wars. I pray that we shall never see a time where people are oppressed and murdered like under the Fascist regimes of the past.

Major events have always began in Central Europe, the current problems tensions arising again in Bosnia may just be the beginning of the collapse of peace and solidarity in Europe. Let us just hope this never happens.

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absurd. nationalism is the only thing that keeps all of the powers in check.

it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that the bigger the level of government, the more dysfunctional.

for example, an individual would have a good chance having a social impact in a community level gov't such as a township. a state, somewhat more difficult. at a federal level, the government is a mess, and the 'little guy' so to speak, has no voice. it's not as if "mr smith can go to washington" anymore. you have to have millions and be a member of elite society if you want to play politics at the national level.

imagine how dysfunctional a world government would be. with the lives of 6.8 billion people in the hands of the few. you really think that the elites are going to care what you want for your city or your town or the way you want to live your life (or the majority of the people in your community). NO. it will be us and them, even moreso. the ultimate lack of representation imaginable.

not to mention, if such a government ever fell into corrupt hands(as if it wouldn't be from the start), then there is no other power to intervene and say, hey, this isn't ok, we're going to stop this tyranny. everyone would be completely screwed. oh wait, that's right, we ARE screwed.

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Pride in ones People and Culture are Great attributes and motivators for a Sovereign Nation . It is Only when it is taken to the Exstreem that they become Weaknesses . History has proven that all to well ...

The germans should send all useless immigrants back to their home countries,
step out of the EU, so they become independent again and won't be forced to bail out parasitic countries anymore,
and then build up a new strong and glorious world leading nation again, in a peaceful way as a spiritualy evolved nation.
The germans (still) got the potential for that, but they need to rely and focus primarily on themelfs and on their own values in regards to their national matters.

CaseCloser

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I agree with your post, but would like to mention something that I've heard from several Islamic sources.

Many of them (young muslim men) find it extremely amusing that we (non-muslim secular western states) bitch and moan about standing up for their human rights and equality.

Why do they find it funny? Because they themselves are actually aiming to saturate each nation they live in with more muslims - swinging the population balance in their favour, leading to more power for Islam. Conquering, by breeding more than we do. They mock us, for allowing our government to patronise us with talk of living side-by-side, when all that platitude does is to make it easier for them to satisfy their agenda!

I'm not racist - 'some of my best friends are muslims' - but there is an agenda within a proportion of the Islamic world, to conquer and convert the 'infidels' (non-muslims) by whatever means necessary. Changing the demographic by having more children than their non-muslim neighbours is but one example. They (muslims who wish to make the world fully Islamic) don't like us very much, and recent history shows that none of us want to integrate when left to our own devices. We are just too different, culturally.

Anyway, I expect this won't go down too well, but please don't shoot the messenger - I'm simply passing on what muslims I worked with in the past used to boast and laugh about.

Ummmmm...many races and religions do NOT get along. We know this to be a FACT. She is stating a consequence (failure) of this fact to some degree. The truth isn't pretty, but we shouldn't sweep it under a rug and forget about it. Why does honesty have to lead to genocide? Why can't people just live? Ever hear of white flight? People will arrange themselves and their lives to be comfortable which often includes self imposed segregation. The government doesn't need to do anything accept adjust immigration accordingly with population, NOT race.

Could Germany be the test subject of a county maintaining a peaceful citizen existence without a certain population of people allowed in its lands?

As an Italian American who loves performance enhancing in any of its shapes, I admire German ingenuity and ability to engineer etc. watching the economy, they are one of the stronger Euro forces, and make great cars and other products.

Say this society is particularly closed minded. The outside society can scream about how wrong, racist, prejudiced it is, BUT THAT IS APPARENTLY HOW THEY LIKE IT. Stop trying to rain in on their parade. They let it get to the point where They killed millions of Jews and many others so that they could live in their mono cultural society. Instead of pissing them off to the point they WANT to do this again, why not let Germany be the reverse experiment the US of A is? In these borders, only Germanic people live (they could allow whichever culture they wanted). The people who pass their checklists can come and go as they please. But in Germany's borders, only these certain ethnicities live.

The place where it IS 100% a problem is when they try and invade. If they live in peace, so be it!

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Well,

if all your muslim friends want to convert everybody, are you a muslim now?

Originally posted by The Revenant


I'm scared.


Islam should be welcome wherever and whenever. It should be allowed to co-exist and cohabit in any given free and democratic society. Anything less is unjust, and fascist.

2 million Muslim Arabs with a birthrate of merely 4 will become about 120 million Muslim arabs in only 80 years.
While the German natives with a birthrate of 1.3 will decline significantly. Current population of Germany 83 million.
So in a few decades Germany will be a Muslim Arab country.
The Irony is that is that you can blame Hitler since without the devastion of WWII this wouldnt have happened.

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This is not a question of co-existing with other religions, this is a question of acclimatization. Germany, Austria are little countries compared to Amerika. I´m foreign too, but I understand the point of view of people living in Vienna, who elect FPÖ (national socialist).

Theire point is: The parts of Vienna, where the biggest fraction of residents are foreigners, are not like they were some years ago. Shops close. New shops raise. But the foreingers who own those don´t/hardly speak german, neither they care to speak a word.
It seems like they don´t respect our culture, so why should some old guy care of theirs. Native citizens move away from those parts of city, searching for a better place to live.

It is correct, people who elect FPÖ don´t think about the consequences this choice might have. This is a big problem and this one is growing.

So what can we do to help foreigners acting like they would act in their own home? It seems they don´t see the necessity.
Both sides are making me angry and I´m feeling helpless. The most people who elected the national socialist party are older and remember the streets they live in at a better state. Some see a problem in degeneration of language. And this is a really serious problem! Kids have problems to learn their own language because the standard is too low, or the disturbance to big. (not every school!!)

There are so many good things about foreigners! Like diversity, new creative ideas, food!! and knowledge. But to see them, the problems have to be reduced to a minimum level. At last, you can´t help someone to be a part of the community as long he doesn´t want to, or doesn´t need to.

I had to learn german at the age of 9, I was not very enthusiastic about that. My parents insisted on that and learnd a new language at age of 30 and learn it still. This is not the fault of kids but their parents, who don´t care, because they know that the son or daughter will have a job at a shop, where they can speak their own language.

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I lived in Germany for at least 15 years and found that they are just like everyone else.
They go to work (most of them), pay their bills (lot's of them) more so than in most
Countries because of the high taxes they have to pay and still try to live. I think one
major lesson from WWI and WWII that has been forgotten was the reparations issue.
After WWI, the Germans had to pay so much that WWII broke out. Now with barely
finishing paying for WWI and still having to pay for WWII and bearing the largest
share of the EU price....they are pretty fed up. Don't get me wrong, they have good
and bad people just like every other Nation on this planet, that I can say for sure the
thing is whether we want to risk another world war because we have neglected to
learn from the past.

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I agree with her...it has caused nothing but problems and issues...in Europe and here in the States. Good for Frau Merkel for actually having enough guts to admit what everyone, including myself, are thinking. I know I will get a lot of flak for this, but it's true. The impossible concept of "multiculture" is something that is the root at many violent occurences. Think if they only had Germans in Germany or the English in England..very minimal amounts of terrorism/terror threats would occur. I feel a similar sentiment about the United States...although we are all from "immigrants" (although I can trace my ancestors back to when the Dutch first settled New Amsterdam) foreigners that enter the country in present times can and will present a danger. Just my opinion...everyone is entitled to their own of course

Multi-culturalism IS a failure in the U.S. as well.

Multi-ethnicity is a good thing. helping build a country with new blood.

Multi-culturalism tears a country apart when immigrants won't assimilate.

Originally posted by FBI 33
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I agree with her...it has caused nothing but problems and issues...in Europe and here in the States. Good for Frau Merkel for actually having enough guts to admit what everyone, including myself, are thinking. I know I will get a lot of flak for this, but it's true. The impossible concept of "multiculture" is something that is the root at many violent occurences. Think if they only had Germans in Germany or the English in England..very minimal amounts of terrorism/terror threats would occur. I feel a similar sentiment about the United States...although we are all from "immigrants" (although I can trace my ancestors back to when the Dutch first settled New Amsterdam) foreigners that enter the country in present times can and will present a danger. Just my opinion...everyone is entitled to their own of course

I also would like to add that comparing Germany today and Frau Merkel to Hitler/Nazi Germany is disgusting. Also, I embrace Nationalism...the U.S.A. would be smart to adopt a Nationalistic aproach. Maybe then we could get back on our feet as a proud, patriotic, superpower.

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Originally posted by centurion1211
Multi-culturalism IS a failure in the U.S. as well.

Multi-ethnicity is a good thing. helping build a country with new blood.

I think you have expressed this in a way I can mostly agree with.

They really are two different things, aren't they?