John Titor: Hoax, page 16
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reply posted on 4-1-2007 @ 12:55 PM by opieum
Hello,

I have been reading this site for some time now. I finally decided to join. I also was watching this post some time ago and decided to bookmark it. There have been no replies to anything here in a couple of months.

Kano makes a point in that some people are turning JT into a Nostradamus type of person or religion. I do think that OMD makes some good points also tho. Whether or not he was real or not...(I am still undecided) I am keeping an open mind. His civil war prediction if you read carefully culminates with a massive nuclear war around 2013 if I am recalling correctly. From his perspective it is entirely possible that he was taught that the Civil war he speaks of may have started over the political climate.

The original civil war started over slavery. It is said that is the issue that sparked the civil war and that it gradually got worse to the point of states seceding from the union. (these things were issues in the 1840s)

Also I have a hard time believing that he guessed this:
www.newstarget.com...
The article seems to refute the mad cow disease mass deaths but also adds a certain credence to it. And considering how easy it actually is to import meat into the US (I worked at an Argentine supermarket that did this they love beef as much as or more than we do in the US) I would not be surprised that infected meat has made it in. Considering the current administration's interest in big business and industry and their willingness to protect them I am not surprised if things like this are covered up.

It is bits like these that make me question whether he was the real deal or not. But then there are the things Kano has mentioned like the picture. The picture does look like a fiber optic cable to me. Also if gravity was that strong how the hell was the person in the picture able to survive that and look so relaxed. But then we are applying today's science to tommorrow. So we honestly don't know at this point. JT repeatedly mentioned we can choose to believe him or not and what does it matter if we do. What will we do to change the situation to prevent what he says to come to pass. He may have been a futurist en.wikipedia.org...
If so he has a serious future in that field.

This item of information www.npr.org...
along with my previous link again make me question if he was fake.

But then I read something about him actually travelling back to something other than his objective. That makes no sense. He gets to 2000 with the intent of informing people for personal reasons. That alone is a major flag. He was/is/will be on a mission to get a computer that can no longer be found in his time.

I found the economic points invalid however (no disrespect there Kano) It is possible to have multiple systems of economy in one society. It happens in south america and alot of third world contries today. The communal system of living is not too far fetched along with a "capitalist" society.

The one thread I have noticed is that people assume that civil war means guns and fighting. It does lead to that. It usually starts with a major social issue then escalates to civil war. There may be an event of note in his period that to us is currently irrelevant. It is possible this may come out in the future and be the spark that ignites the flame. I honestly do not know. At this point all we can do is wait and see.

I am not going to be too quick to write him off as a hoax but I am not about to take everything at face value either. Time is both against JT and for him at this point. It needs to be looked at objectively. The whole American union thing is interesting because there are articles on the net discussing that topic now. This was anothe rmajor point he made. Possibly a safe bet prediction tho based on current events of the time. We will see. Hopefully in 2008 we will see more or less and put this to bed. Thanks for reading all this


reply posted on 26-8-2007 @ 01:39 PM by dark_matter06
reply to post by Kano



How do you know light on the outside of the field doesn't look normal from inside and only light going THROUGH the field appears bent? I don't think you're qualified to make this, assumption. TT_0 said what Dr. Hawking in 2000 thought not possible. Since then, in July 2004, Stephan Hawking has stated he was wrong and his theory was incorrect. If TT_0 proved one of the smartest men alive wrong years before it happened he must be a genius with a lot of free time right? Many men smarter than you or I think John Titor's theory on his machine is possible. And if you read ALL his post you would see he said he would not warn us of bombs, but he did say we would go looking for WMD's, way before Sept 11th and the world even knew what a WMD was and that we would find none but still go to war. Explain that. He hinted once the NY skyline would look strange with less "towers" and that there would be an earthquake in Peru months before it happened.


reply posted on 27-9-2007 @ 10:15 PM by oneslyfox37
reply to post by norman619



John Titor claims:

"The beam is being bent by the gravitational field produced outside the vehicle by the distortion unit."

So take notice that he says outside. Outside is where all the light is bent, and indeed the beam appears to be straight until it exits the vehicle where it starts to droop.

Kano states:

"If this was the case, ALL the light passing near the device would be bent. This would give a gravitational lensing effect that would be noticeable in the image. Also, the light reflecting off the smoke particles would also be bent on its return trip to the observer, thus the laser beam would still appear straight to the observer."

Well seeing as though Titor claims the gravitational field is produced outside the vehicle, the lensing effect would take place outside. Do you you see anything outside the window? Looks like just black to me. This would mean that Kano is absolutely right. ALL the light is being bent and it is all being bent where? That's right, outside.

I wouldn't go as far to say that this is photographic proof that his machine exists and works, but I would go on to say that this particular argument over the picture is flawed, based off of the idea that the gravitational field is not in the vehicle itself.


reply posted on 8-11-2007 @ 09:19 PM by syrinx high priest
reply to post by Enrikez



how about those canadian police lately

JT stated the waco-like events were covered by the mainstream media like elian gonzales, so the scale of the event is relevant to the discussion. 75 people were killed at Waco.

simply put, it hasn't happened since the original, let alone once a month since '04
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