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John Titor: Hoax

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posted on Nov, 15 2004 @ 01:58 AM
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I want to believe John Titor, but his prediction of the civil war starting up this year in the USA is far-fected in my opinion.

Plus I don't like the idea of a Chinese invasion of my homeland...




posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 12:15 PM
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Show's over. If it wasn't obvious before, it should be painfully obvious now that Titor is a hoax. Nothing but a semi-interesting piece of science fiction. Now everyone go and obsess about something else that's equally trivial.



posted on Nov, 17 2004 @ 08:43 PM
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So now what am I supposed to do with the 10,000 silk-screened Hanes T-Shirts that say "John Titor was right!"? I'm long past the 30 day return policy. Ah well, that's the last time I listen to those guys on the 2am infomercials about starting your own business to get rich quick. Hm...maybe I can pawn them off on E-bay as a collectors item.

[edit on 17-11-2004 by saint4God]



posted on Nov, 20 2004 @ 07:03 PM
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I was just thinking about the one thing he said- that when you go forwards and backwards in time you land in a different parallell universe than the one you were in. So, how could he actually have come back with a mission and goal in mind? He couldn't preidct which universe he would come back to, so there was no guarantee Linux would have even existed. What if he had come back and he landed in a univese that was a 180 rotation from the one he had left? Did he ever mention anything about this? About being able to decide what timeline you land on?



posted on Nov, 20 2004 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by Malachy
I was just thinking about the one thing he said- that when you go forwards and backwards in time you land in a different parallell universe than the one you were in. So, how could he actually have come back with a mission and goal in mind? He couldn't preidct which universe he would come back to, so there was no guarantee Linux would have even existed. What if he had come back and he landed in a univese that was a 180 rotation from the one he had left? Did he ever mention anything about this? About being able to decide what timeline you land on?


Yes, he did. I believe he called it World Line Divergance. The farther you traveled from your current time, the greater the world line divergance would become. He stated that the average divergance of a trip was less than %2, which he stated would be almost unnoticable. He also stated that the larger the differance in world-lines was, the divergance would be. So, for something as major as Linux to dissapear, it would have to be a relativley large divergance. I hope that answeres your question.


MAK

posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by onlyinmydreams
So, keeping all this in mind, Kano, I challenge you in this way (with these hints):
The Boeing 707 was the first jet aircraft to make a real mark in the commercial market (it is credited with creating the modern airline industry). However... there was an aircraft that came before the 707 that was actually the first commercial jeliner. It had a series of crashes and so never made it.
Kano... please apply the same level of criticism you have applied to JT to yourself. Without consulting any books or the internet, please tell me
1.The aircraft type
2.The location of any possible problems
and
3.The causes of these problems

If you can't do this, well...


May I answer for him?

1) The aircraft was British "Comet".
2+3) Windows. They were square in shape and could not resist the force that came from large pressure changes. It took several accidents before they realized something shipbuilders had known for centuries and replaced windows with round ones.

And -- there was actually Tupolev-104 between Comet and 707. If I remember correctly, it started regular flights 3 or 4 years before 707.

It's not hard to answer this kind of questions if you are intrested in aviation. And it's not hard to name the dates of major battles of WWII if you're intrested in history, etc. Of course, there's nobody who can be expert on history, aviation, sports and so on at the same time, but I am very sure every person has some kind of topic he knows something about (it may be releated to read books or hobbies, but there must me something!).

I may not know the date Watergate scandal broke loose, but if you ask me what song was No. 1 in US charts 34 years ago then I would name Edwin Starr and his "War".

I mean, can't you name popular bands, songs or TV-shows that were popular in the first half of the seventies? Anything?

I personally thing whole this thing is just a hoax. Even if he tells something specific then he's got everything backed up with that "my timeline may differ from yours" thing. At least it's entertaining like reading a well-written sci-fi book.



PS. I've learned English for only three years so don't even think of nailing me because of my mistakes.
)



posted on Dec, 28 2004 @ 04:04 PM
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Here is my "go" at this Titor debunking bit, but before I begin I will give you a really brief history about my military background as to give some kind of credit to what I am about to propose.----I was a law enforcement officer for two years, 4 years in the US Marine Corps 1st Recon Company, and two years in the Brittish Army (don't ask..lol). As a Recon Marine my duty or task was labeled as an Infitrator/counter guerilla specialist. This is not an official title as the Marine Corps does not really have little basic job title as the Army or other braches do. While performing these task, I had to very upclose and personal with some very unfriendly people, so I have had a great deal of close quarter combat instructions. Now...to get to my point, one of the weapons that I have had extensive training on is the tactical or combat shotgun. Titor stated that when he finished training as a teenager he was assigned to a "shot-gun battalion". Shotguns being a very limited range firearm with multiple functions would not fair well on a battle field of planes, tanks, and heavy rapid fire machine guns OH MY! You would see approx. 700 to 1000 poor helpless souls sporting papa's old pump-gun re-inacting Custer's last stand. Not a pretty visual.

But...if the were tasked in small groups to supplement other "better and properly" equipted units as a support element that might be a little bit more beleiveable. If that were the case they would be used only as support and in an urban or close range vicinity enviornment where the shotguns stregths could be exploited. Titor never mentioned how his unit was mobilized in the not to distant "future" civil war, just saying it out loud brings a little chuckle.

I will give Titor some credit in his posts. They seems to be very knowledgeable in the field on quantum-physics-interdeminsional-time alteration displacement-hold on to your bobby socks mary lou cause this is going to be one HELL OF A RIDE YEEEE-HAAA type of scientific field. (As you can see...I am not). I will also admit that it is damn entertaining to read. Kind of interesting to read his post and think about what you would do if his little world gone FUBAR scenerio actually happened.

Well...that's my 2 cents for what's it's worth...lol, 2 cents.



posted on Jan, 1 2005 @ 09:45 PM
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I only figured him as a hoax the moment he became seriously offended everytime someone judged his legitimacy. He would also most of the time mention only little on key issues and would turn most of his topics to the concepts of time travel and "theories" on how it works. That's all he was trying to do, showing everyone his concept of time travel and to have people look into it and believe it. Too bad however, a lot of what he says for the concepts seem to works, but his evidence had a lot of smear on it in all places, mostly the parts where he started bs on all the time travel expieriments and how it works and that was mostly all he talked about. He couldn't pinpoint one event that wasn't mentioned prior to his appearance. CERN was already known about at that time and it's purpose was well known as well. He just keeps building on this though, going into black holes, then time travel. If only he couldn't pinpointed one specific event, then maybe i'd really believe him.

On the other hand though, he could've been from an alternate dimension or even more, what he's told us is inevitable and the events aren't based on a specific to date timeline, but more like a gradual occurance. Also, he could've been nonspecific so that he wouldn't alter the outcome of his future so he just told us the outline, and we'll just watch it all unfold.

Say for the Civil War for instance, the seeds have been planted all over in the past year with the national debt soaring, bush winning reelection, privatization, middle and lower classes getting poorer while the rich continue to make more. These events have split america and it is becoming known around here. There is an america that can spend money and still save and an america that has just enough to make it by.

But that could've all been seen a long time ago anyways, it just took this long for it to get this bad. That's why he might've point to a timeline around 04-05.

Then the whole disease outbreak, untill a few days ago, I just couldn't of seen a worldwide epidemic begin. Now that the whole southeastern asia area had gone through that devestation, I can only fear the inevitable outcome. Unless our world can pull together and contain this situation as fast as possible, I'm becoming a vegetarrian because who knows how far those diseases are going to spread. Man, why did this happen.....



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 08:23 PM
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a civil war is not likely, if any thing you will have some punk voters trying to cause riots. Honestly if you look at the facts a Civil war is not whats coming something much worse, a depression.

[edit on 2-1-2005 by iksmodnad]



posted on Jan, 3 2005 @ 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by iksmodnad
a civil war is not likely, if any thing you will have some punk voters trying to cause riots. Honestly if you look at the facts a Civil war is not whats coming something much worse, a depression.

[edit on 2-1-2005 by iksmodnad]


how can there be a huge depression when there is still a majority that is still profiting. Except now, it's not just the people at the top, but a lot others that work in the management also aren't having much problems. The true problem causing this is that we've come to an age where more people actually makes things worse, unlike the instustrial age where people were needed and more was better. The downsizing is done because we've created machines that can replace those jobs and every year, more and more jobs are going to these things. The rest are being outsourced to other countries that'll do the same work for significatly cheaper, and without tariffs to regulate the price of their products they create, the companies can do everything cheaply and still charge a high price for a profit. This keeps that upper class going, and with the government consistantly making it easier for them, this is what has caused a divide. As quoted from a reporter on the news:

"There are two Americas; one where they can buy a $20 bottle of wine without worry and another America where they have to think first, and sacrifice to get the same"



posted on Jan, 24 2005 @ 10:39 PM
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CERN never created any mini black holes as Titor claims, and mini black holes can't bend time.

Case closed as far as I'm concerned,

The Michio Kaku Titor story is on my page:

Space Time News: razimus.com...

I don't think any more info will be released on the matter until/if the John Titor movie comes out, check johntitormovie.com, johntitorthemovie.com, when/if that page has content, the movie could be soon. Those domains have already been reserved by a hollywood guy named Charles Acosta who happens to know the webmaster of john titor dot com, I know this as I emailed Mr. Acosta and he said he recently emailed him.

I believe the JT hoax crew own john titor dot com and oliver williams is a front man.

Another decent Titor page with some info:

johntitor.tripod.com...

--- Razimus



posted on Feb, 3 2005 @ 08:12 PM
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First off i have to tell you, that im in the Multi-Media field, and i can do pretty much anything with entertainment, or pictures or special effects or whatever. And in this field you see tons of ways to trick people into something, or at least ways to make something seem real even though it isnt. Now that you know that, i have to say, that it would be extremely easy to take that image into photoshop and just warp that light beam, to bend, its especially easy with that dark background....but thats not even what i think happened....when i first saw the picture, i immediatly said that its a trick. and i immediatly thought that, i knew whats going on. Heres what i think, . I think its simply, hes sitting in a darkened car, in oh i dont know, a garage with the lights off, and he turned on his little laser and shot it towards the car window. If anyone has even sat at a car at night, and payed any attention, they should have noticed that the lights from the dashboard or whatever from inside the car, is reflecting on the car windows, especially on the side windows....and that the images are also, a bit bent and warped a bit, because of the windows bend. So i simply think that he is fireing a laser into the window, and the reflection from the laser in the window is bending the light, because of the curve of the window, makeing it apear as if the light is being bent. It could also be a opticle wire, but i think my thought is more right, and more easily accessed.

Now thats not just it, my brother *hes really good in math* once said something, about some theory, which basically makes time travel impossible, but i wasnt really listening to him.. i just remember that part.

Ive also heard that if you were to go back in time, that you would basically void yourself, and you would becoming non existant, especially once you passed up the date at which you were born.

Now also i really havent payed much attention to this thing at all, but I would think that to come back to get a computer, that has already been made in his time, would be a huge waste of resources. I figure it would be much easier for the poeple of the future, to just search old storage places, or computer stuff, to find the computer they want, than to waste all kinds of time and energy to make a time machine to go back in time, and maybe get the piece they want, and maybe completely alter history at the same time. I dont see them wasteing that kinda effort when they could just like find another old computer and maybe make a copy after they find it.

And that sorta brings me up to the next thing which is. Lets say it is true that he did come back in time. But just the fact that he came back and actully had an interaction with poeple, and we know this, its completely altered all history. And now, because of him, instead of the Nuclear war, we have 100 years of peace. For example, lets say you go back in time to prehistoric times and you kill a fly. WHen you go back to your own time, because you killed the fly, now all the worlds languages are completely different than what they were before you did that. So im saying that because he has had interaction with poeple, he could have changed all kinds of history, and now nothing he said is going to happen.

And finally becasue of what i just said, i would think that the future poeple would be more cautious than that to send people to the past just for something like that, and risk all the trouble and problems, he has done, ..... so I personally right now say he isnt from the future, he is from this time, and wanted to get attention.

Especially if someone starts to make a movie or something about this, and starts to make lots of money, someone will probably come forward wanting to have some of that cash.



posted on Feb, 8 2005 @ 05:58 AM
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On his predictions of civil and world war: he did say that happened on "his" worldline, so there is every possibility it might not happen on ours. One thing I have noticed is that he says he can't travel more than 60 years and his first trip was 61.........I'd like to believe him but it is so far out, it is hard to believe. The more I think about it the more I'm bummed out, because if he is for real than time travel is rather boring if you can't go back and give yourself winning lottery numbers because those numbers may not come up for that "you" on that worldline. Fun to think about though...Thanks "John Titor".



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 04:26 AM
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I'm 80/20 on this guy, he is right about his prediction of the president thats in power now. How he wants to be more like lincoln, but is driving a wedge in the bill of rights. He mentioned that our next president will only be vying for himself, we shall wait and see. The sad thing, is this man has been scrutinized, so many of his original posts have been added by hoaxers and people who are really trying to loose the foothold of the topic. But, we should take john titor at face value for now and only think of this as a possibilty,



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 08:46 PM
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Did the Civil War start yet?

Didnt Titor say the last Olympics would be 2004? 2006 Winter Games is only a year away. This will be a key test for the Titorites.

And if 2016 rolls around and there is no nuclear war to take out the liberals and DNC hacks led by Howard "The Scream heard round the world" Dean who will be holed up in the urban centers ----I guess at that point the Titor followers will finally give up and admit Titor was a clever hoax.

People talk alot about the Red States vs. Blue States but the more telling map is the Red/Blue Country map. I guess in that way attacks to take out large urban centers would tend to take out one group of people. With Bush making friends with Vladimir Putin of Russia maybe the attack date has been moved up since Titor let the cat out of the bag! LOL!

www.usatoday.com...



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 08:58 PM
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And what if 2016 doesnt come? I can't remember what it is exactly but dont some people say the world will end in 2012? I dont know if I believe that or not so I will wait and see. What some people are telling me is December 22, 2012.. end of mayan calender... but anyways if this 2012 theory is correct it will be another way to debunk Titor on account of him living in 2036 or was it 2035? Sorry cant remember. But I guess that is where titorites will say our timeline changed by that 1-2%. Like they would be alive to annoy the heck out of us


Edit:After its all over but oh well.


Originally posted by reflux

Originally posted by Malachy
I was just thinking about the one thing he said- that when you go forwards and backwards in time you land in a different parallell universe than the one you were in. So, how could he actually have come back with a mission and goal in mind? He couldn't preidct which universe he would come back to, so there was no guarantee Linux would have even existed. What if he had come back and he landed in a univese that was a 180 rotation from the one he had left? Did he ever mention anything about this? About being able to decide what timeline you land on?


Yes, he did. I believe he called it World Line Divergance. The farther you traveled from your current time, the greater the world line divergance would become. He stated that the average divergance of a trip was less than %2, which he stated would be almost unnoticable. He also stated that the larger the differance in world-lines was, the divergance would be. So, for something as major as Linux to dissapear, it would have to be a relativley large divergance. I hope that answeres your question.


So according to what you just said and agreeing with what everyone else said how can something so major as 9/11 just disappear from him? Some people tell me it might not have been major after what all else happens but if it was major at the time it would still be remembered. Its not like I forgot about the A-bomb being dropped just because we found out Hitler killed all those Jews and such. So my point is it should still be a minorly major event(If that makes sense


[edit on 29-5-2005 by 9890]



posted on May, 29 2005 @ 10:40 PM
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...snip...

So according to what you just said and agreeing with what everyone else said how can something so major as 9/11 just disappear from him? Some people tell me it might not have been major after what all else happens but if it was major at the time it would still be remembered. Its not like I forgot about the A-bomb being dropped just because we found out Hitler killed all those Jews and such. So my point is it should still be a minorly major event(If that makes sense


[edit on 29-5-2005 by 9890]


My response : John Titor was a hoax who obviously didnt know about 9-11 and so couldnt mention it. Just another of the many major inconsistencies in his story.

The Titor enthusiast's response: He said he couldnt do or say anything that would save lives or cause people to die. He didnt want to change history and so he purposely didnt mention it.

seems to me like these JT believers seem to fall back on the same thing the christians do "take it on faith" .... and that my fellow atsers is the worst kind of arguement.


-aero



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 12:34 AM
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How about the fact that the pic taken in his "time machine" really looks like the interior of a 1980's Ford F-150 or similar vehicle? Give me a break. If he was going to give us a picture to prove he's from the future, this wouldn't be it. I can think of a million better pictures to take. What a goof. Almost as big a goof as those who believe him!



posted on May, 30 2005 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by Razimus
CERN never created any mini black holes as Titor claims, and mini black holes can't bend time.

Case closed as far as I'm concerned,


However ...

There was an recently (5/2005) printed article in a recent Scientific American magazine all about scientists at a facility near CERN being on the verge (or maybe they already have!) of creating miniature black holes in their particle accelerators.

from Scientific American

a different article on this


[edit on 5/30/2005 by centurion1211]



posted on Jun, 29 2005 @ 01:18 AM
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All these titor hoax tread's and no proof ?.



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