Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by sy.gunson
The Gun stump proves how inelegant and crude the Hiroshima weapon was.
What it really proves if your total lack of understanding of the subject. There is nothing that makes the gun design inherently crude or
Actually you explained the reason perfectly yourself...
A Uranium gun barrel device (like Little Boy used on Hiroshima) is prone to premature detonation because there is a lack of fail-safe control over it,
when in the next breath you absurdly shot yourself in the foot with this remark:
The gun design was great. What makes it impractical is the inherent lack of stability in the explosive driver, that can be set off by any sort of
The gun design was not great... it was totally crude and primitive.
If the Hiroshima styled gun barrel device were such an elegant and efficient device why is it no longer in use?
Of course more significant was that it was remarkably inefficient...Only 1.4%, or just 780 grams of the 64 kilograms of Uranium 235 (enriched at
enormous expense) actually underwent nuclear chain reaction in the blast over Hiroshima.
The Nagasaki Plutonium bomb, Fat Man by contrast had 16% efficiency, but of course if you were really a genuine nuclear physicist, perhaps you would
already know this and not need me to recount it for you, would you?
Even the superior Nagasaki style device was abandoned by 1948 as too crude and inefficient. Nagasaki Mark III type bombs were overtaken by a yet more
efficient design with a levitated core trialled in “Sandstone” tests at Eniwetok Atoll.
The really remarkable thing is without USA drafting the post war guidance of a Nazi nuclear physicist, Dr Kurt Diebner who led the Nazi atomic bomb
project during the War the United States might never have figured out how to boost the efficiency of these Atomic weapons.
Armchair wannabes will disagree, of course. How many tons of Uranium did you ever handle personally? What is the answer, punk? Did you have to haul
Thorium? Were you ever sprayed in the face by a radioactive liquid due to an equipment malfunction? Are you feeling OK while posting cr@p here on ATS
day in, day out, without having knowledge, expertise and experience in the subject?
Your experience is irrelevant...All your qualifications and experience are basically dustbin trash Buddhasystem if you lack an ability to think
rationally and outside the square. It seems to me that your qualifications merely certify your conformity to regimented thinking.
That is the difference with scientists educated at Gottingen pre-war, that they were genuine independent thinkers able to think intuitively and not
afraid to innovate.
I believe I’ve encountered you before on the BBC forum website on a thread about the Nazi Bell where I think we already established there that you
were some sort of lab technician using a little LINAC device with grandiose visions of your own importance. On that forum you managed to muzzle me by
having that thread locked.
In my experience of you on the BBC website when you couldn’t win by force of logic then you resorted to dirty politics, muzzling debate by
complaints to moderators when in fact you inflamed debates yourself with your own insults to create a pretext for complaining.
That of course is why you are now floating a red herring about Jewish émigré scientists. It is not a racist remark at all, but simply a factual
Let me cite you this historical quotation referring to German atomic scientists being held by the Americans, including those held on British soil:
...General Groves was convinced they were 'superior in all-round ability to the group which had started the New Mexico laboratory.
(T-Force” by Sean Longden, page 195)
Just to remind you Brigadier General Leslie Groves led the Manhattan Project so he would have some fair idea wouldn’t he?
Likewise the Monsanto report, NA G-371, dated Nov 8 1945 prepared at the end of the War for the Manhattan Committee chairman Dr Arthur Compton
summarising the abilities of Nazi scientists based upon analysis of the Goudsmitt papers had this to say of the abilities of Nazi nuclear
Generally we would say their approach was in no wise inferior to ours; in some respects it was superior.
And now for the little boy who cried wolf!
posted by buddhasystem
The Nagasaki weapon on the other hand was largely created by Jewish emigre scientists trained in european universities.
That has to be one of the most racist and retired comments ever posted on ATS. What does Jewish heritage of SOME of the physicists have to do with
It is a plain statement of fact, the Manhattan project recruited many German trained Jewish scientists who had emigrated to the United States to
escape Nazi persecution. These scientists proved superior in talents and ability to their American cousins.
Have you never studied history?
What it has to do with this narrative is simply this, the Jewish scientists who fled Nazi persecution before the war were German trained and were more
capable than their American counterparts of the same era by virtue of their training in Germany. That is the point.
The point is that in the late 1930s nowhere in the world was the understanding of nuclear physics more advanced than in Germany.
I actually don’t see what your difficulty is with that statement, unless of course you are running out of ideas to dispute this topic and have
resorted to drama queen hysterics again?
For the record, my father was torpedoed by U-653 in the Atlantic in 1942 and subsequently fought Nazis at the Normandy beaches on D-day and later at
Westkappelle. I have never supported Nazi ideology. There is nothing anti-Semitic in my personal beliefs. Your remarks are just foul mouthed slurs.
The point you are trying to distract us from is that Germany, it’s scientists and in particular those from Gottingen University led the whole world
in nuclear physics, both before and during WW2.
That includes people like Fermi, Teller, Szilard and Gamow who were the backbone of the Manhattan project, irrespective whether they were Jewish, or
not, but definitely because of their German education in nuclear physics.
USA inherited Nazi expertise in science and technology and capitalised by developing it after the War.