Tea Party Set to Win Enough Races for Wide Influence, page 1

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Topic started on 15-10-2010 @ 07:02 PM by whaaa

www.nytimes.com...

Enough Tea Party-supported candidates are running strongly in competitive and Republican-leaning Congressional races that the movement stands a good chance of establishing a sizable caucus to push its agenda in the House and the Senate, according to a New York Times analysis.

While the numbers are relatively small, they could exert outsize influence, putting pressure on Republican leaders to carry out promises to significantly cut spending and taxes, to repeal health care legislation and financial regulations passed this year, and to phase out Social Security and Medicare in favor of personal savings accounts.

As someone that has paid in a lifetime of Social Security and Medicare, I don't want those programs to be phased out.

However I do believe the TPM will see some substantial victories, but I also don't see that they can wield enough power to change the status quo of the way Washington operates. When the stakes are as high monitarally as they are in the Federal Govt.; even the TPM canidates will toe the line with the sex, graft, corruption, threats, lies, payoffs, promises of sweet jobs after govt. service. etc.

Those who seek power are so easily corrupted; it's naive to even think change will happen to benefit the proletariat. Cynical....you might say that.

Welcome to the monkey house!

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reply posted on 15-10-2010 @ 07:27 PM by TheOneElectric

This is for the Republicans and Tea Party:

AMERICA IS NOT FOR SALE!

Don't let special interests, corporations, or big business buy America. Just because Corporations can give unlimited funds now doesn't mean you all should take them.
Have a Conscious.

That's all I have to say.

reply posted on 15-10-2010 @ 07:44 PM by Tykonos

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Sadly America has already been sold.

The American political system is run by big business.

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reply posted on 15-10-2010 @ 07:46 PM by Curiousisall

I do not understand how anyone would believe that TP candidates will have any power to weild at all. The only leverage they will have in any way will be in being part of the Republican minority or the Republican majority so the only thing TP candidates will be able to do is what the Republicans want to do. But I know, someone will come in to explain the huge differene between the TP and the Republicans all while forgetting that no matter what, there will be no TP majority in either house.

reply posted on 15-10-2010 @ 08:26 PM by ladyinwaiting

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As someone that has paid in a lifetime of Social Security and Medicare, I don't want those programs to be phased out.

In general it would be a mistake, I believe, to phase out these programs, particularly when things get bad economically nationwide. Many people don't make enough money to save for retirement, and many have jobs without retirement or pension plans. Of course there are those who make enough money to save, but simply don't.

What happens when these populations age out? It will be disastrous. Prime real estate will be under the bridge?
Communities and states will have to rely on federal funding for section VIII housing, food stamps, free clinics and the rest anyway.

Removing SS benefits will ultimately cost the country more money, not less.

But there are people who don't need it or use it. I have known people like this, and asked them why they let the SS continue, and they typically say they paid into it all those years, and they want it anyway.

I would like to see some sort of balances....that SS is simply not automatically sent to the very rich upon application. We could be a little more wise about it.

reply posted on 15-10-2010 @ 09:27 PM by Zanti Misfit

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" Removing SS benefits will ultimately cost the country more money, not less."

Sadly , Intitlement Programs such as SS have Already been Gutted by the last two Administrations . As a Baby Boomer in his 50's , I doubt very much I will see the Money I paid into that Program over the last 4 Decades when I finally Retire . It dosen't matter to me though , I have gotten by in Life so far without Ever excepting a Single DIME from the Goverment , and will Survive somehow without it . For others though , it could become Devistating to them in their Twilight Years unless their Family and Friends somehow Help them out . I Guess FDR never Imagined that his Godchild would Ever be Abandoned like this only 75 Years later.....

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reply posted on 15-10-2010 @ 10:35 PM by wutone

Originally posted by whaaa
As someone that has paid in a lifetime of Social Security and Medicare, I don't want those programs to be phased out.

As someone who has paid into the system but is highly unlikely to see any benefits, Social Security is a pyramid scheme of big government proportions.

Imagine how it feels to be on the ass-end of a scheme that Madoff would be proud of.

reply posted on 15-10-2010 @ 11:15 PM by David9176

The death of the middle class.

It's here.

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reply posted on 15-10-2010 @ 11:16 PM by David9176

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As someone that has paid in a lifetime of Social Security and Medicare, I don't want those programs to be phased out

I'm with you Whaa. My father is on BOTH Social Security and Medicare.

I don't want these programs to end...and I'll bet anyone else who knows someone who is disabled or elderly doesn't want to see this end either.

THE REST OF YOU CAN F OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heartless pricks. There is a spot reserved in hell for you....but you don't care...as long as you recycle the opinions of those who don't give a damn about you...so be it...right?????????????

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reply posted on 16-10-2010 @ 01:18 AM by wutone

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by ladyinwaiting

As someone that has paid in a lifetime of Social Security and Medicare, I don't want those programs to be phased out

I'm with you Whaa. My father is on BOTH Social Security and Medicare.

I don't want these programs to end...and I'll bet anyone else who knows someone who is disabled or elderly doesn't want to see this end either.

THE REST OF YOU CAN F OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heartless pricks. There is a spot reserved in hell for you....but you don't care...as long as you recycle the opinions of those who don't give a damn about you...so be it...right?????????????

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So I guess it must take a "heartless prick" to prop up a ponzi system knowing that they won't receive any benefit from it in the future?

Yep there is a special spot in hell reserved for the people who are inheriting debt.

reply posted on 16-10-2010 @ 01:34 AM by Exalted321

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I understand that it would be a horrible thing to cancel both SS and Medicare, however i think that if this was to happen i don't believe they would just cut it off one day and be like "Ok thanks for the donations all this time now good luck on your journey." Im sure they would take a certain age bracket that is currently on or about to be on SS and/or medicare and compensate for them and cut it off at a certain age where they would not be eligible for those kind of benefits.

But then again i could be way off what do i know ;D

reply posted on 16-10-2010 @ 10:41 AM by ladyinwaiting

Originally posted by David9176
The death of the middle class.

It's here.
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David, no it's not and don't let these people discourage you. People are becoming educated about what the republican party is all about. Most republicans are NOT wealthy, and sooner or later they going to realize that the party has nothing to offer them but the "moral" issues, which is just a strategy, as you well know. They could give a crap about the "moral issues", and only flaunt it to get votes from people who know nothing about politics.

I imagine conversations go like this:
"Now which party is it that opposes abortion and marriage between the same sex?"

"That would be the Republican party".

"Oh, okay then. That's who I want to vote for cause I don't want to go to hell".

Political savvy begins and ends right there.

But people will eventually figure it out. We have to believe that.

reply posted on 16-10-2010 @ 05:48 PM by whatukno

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Yea ain't that idea just a kick in the nuts?

"Hi America, thanks for putting money into social security all these years, now, we are going to take all that money from you and hand it over to wall street. Because wall street knows how to handle money.Disabled? Well, that's not Wall Street's problem now is it?"

Course some idiots out there still are of the misguided opinion that the TPM is Independent. Yea, how many "independent" candidates do they have? These people are just Republicans with a fresh coat of brainwash.

reply posted on 17-10-2010 @ 06:30 AM by Curiousisall

Originally posted by whatukno
Yea, how many "independent" candidates do they have?

Well...according to the article cited by the OP...

An analysis of each House and Senate race found 138 Tea Party candidates, all Republicans, running for nearly half the Democratic or open seats in the House and a third of those in the Senate — or, in the case of two Republican House incumbents, defending seats won with Tea Party backing in special elections earlier this year.

Not a one. I do not understand how anyone can continue to say they are not Republicans with a straight face.

reply posted on 17-10-2010 @ 07:59 AM by ladyinwaiting

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