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Originally posted by Mactire
The anti-gravity coincides with a theory I read about that talked about UFO's using gravity to fly. Apparently there are a number of plates on the bottom of the "saucer", and when you point these plates in a certain direction, the Saucer essentially falls in that direction (the Stronger the Gravitational Pull, the faster the saucer flies). This would explain why UFO's are able to change direction at such a high rate of speed.
There was also a theory that pointing these plates towards one another, and cranking the power, might open some sort of portal. Who knows? I always found it an interesting theory though. Allegedly this has been recreated in a lab, (small scale) which probably means its well beyond small scale, and is in use by the military now.
Originally posted by Mactire
I'm not sure about the details of what creates the gravitational forces, just that gravity is created. I don't believe it's magnetism though. It could be some sort of high velocity centrifugal force (like a miniature hadron collider-type device). Personally, I have no idea how it works. Sorry. I just remember a report mentioning its possibility. I'll try to dig up those papers for you.
I do know the craft "creates its own gravity".edit on 16-10-2010 by Mactire because: (no reason given)
what the professor has written is cited on websites in Polish
Originally posted by I B Dazzlin
reply to post by sy.gunson
I do not consider Georgi Nikolayvitch Frolov to be a totaly reliable source because I can't find anything about this person. All I could bring up was a sight about Georgi Nikolayvitch Frolov, the contemporary Russian literary author. I also cannot find anything about a few of the other people you were talking about, such as Dr. Moldovia. Thus I cannot put them into the category of a reliable source at this moment. What I need, is to look at primary sources of information about this, rather than getting it second hand. Then I can try to gather information to proove whether this is fact or fiction. It would be great if you could provide some sources for me to look into. Maybe you could link some web sites or give me the names of some books, with their authors. You have only given very generalized information about where you have gotten your info.
what the professor has written is cited on websites in Polish
GNFrołow - Why you are interested in the German nuclear research?
JR - I am sometimes with us in the south of the Polish Owl Mountains, near Walbrzych, there are underground tunnels during the war and legend circulating that the Germans began there any scientific research, and yet I know that they did not have a nuclear bomb. These rumors, however, occur so often that the topic interested me, and Mr. Szymanski said that Grigory Nikolayevich you know about everything.
GNF - (laughter) - No one knows everything, because the Germans had a lot of documents and materials poniszczyli experimental, and it took a lot of allies, the Americans. And where were you in the mountains near Waldenburg?
JR - I think everywhere in Głuszyca in Walim,
GNF - Wait, wait, use the German names. I just remember I do not know Polish.
JR - That I remember them: Wüstegiersdorf, Ludwigsdorf, Wüstewaltersdorf, Dörnau,
GNF - A Rudolfswald you were in?
JR - Rudolfswald, it's probably Sierpnica. Of course, I
GNF - Sierpnica? I do not know. In the documents then I think I saw a different Polish name, something from a tree - unless Larch. Tell me what was it like?
JR - To the southeast of the village, not far, about a mile of such a rock-hewn tunnels built by prisoners.
GNF - That's right. (That's actually - in 1945, this village was called Modrzewki-JR) In 1945, our army was there. Interesting things from there they brought.
JR - What are the military, the army has gone away yet?
GNF - Army, yes, but we had such special units (varies).
JR - SMERSH?
GNF-No, SMERSH - a lot of you know (smiling) - Szymanski spoke well of you. In Rudolfswaldu and elsewhere was an interview-no scientific researchers in uniform, but not subordinated to NKMD.
JR-Współpracowaliście Grigory Nikolayevich with them?
GNF - No, not with them, until I read the reports in Moscow.
JF - As it is only in Moscow, then you have not been in Lower Silesia after the war?
GNF - In Lower Silesia, no, I was not (varies), I was only in Waldenbergu.
JR - Can you tell me what ye are ye doing there best Soviet nuclear physicist?
GNF - (laughs) Such compliments I do not say, I'm not a girl. A lot better than I was. And with us, even Igor Kurchatov, AIU Germans, as it turned out.
JR - How are the Germans? So it's true of the German atomic bomb?
GNF - True and false - it's always mixed up with each other (silent a long moment.) How many years have passed, thirty-eight think, well, well - I'll tell you, ask.
JR - I must admit I do not know what I have to ask. I know too little. How was the Rudolfswaldu that there were too interesting things that you said?
GNF - Rudolfswald is another story. There he studied the military and talk about it I can not.
JR - A Walbrzych were you?
GNF - In Waldenbergu I was, but before returning from Germany to Moscow.
JR - What jechaliście to Germany, can you tell?
GNF - me there and Kurchatov Stalin sent. Reports are that Germany will keep atomic research. I went there as a representative of the Ministry of Light Machines. It turned out the place that the Germans were more advanced in these studies than you could imagine.
JR - Communication of information to you?
GNF - Information and test results showed the different places, and therefore in Waldenbergu be found.
JR - They showed something in Walbrzych?
GNF - No, Waldenbergu not, but I learned that the interview held in Dresden, German scientist, physicist who told me about secret trials in Waldenburgu, it took him and went, but he knew too little.
JR - How to - too little?
GNF - You see, the Germans had a lot of research groups. My German Dresden worked at the institute under the Ministry of Post, only once was Waldenbergu install the device, because that center subject to the SS.
JR - Whoa, whoa,'ve lost track. SS could do research, but the Ministry of Post? What Mail has to do with scientific research?
GNF - (laughs) That the times were, after all I said. No one would not expect an atom in the Ministry of Posts and (laughs) in the Ministry of Light Machines like us too.
JR - But your German is a physicist working in Walbrzych.
GNF - His institute has it some of the equipment for the SS and he only helped in the installation, I wanted the laboratory must see, but nothing came of it.
JR - Germans blew up?
GNF - Blow up probably did not blow up because it's the same city it was, but he could not hit.
JR -?
GNF - was there only once. The car which he drove from the station a long ride around the city and a German way is lost. Later, they entered into the mine and succinct it into the ground. Two days of sitting there, worked, ate and slept under the earth. As he finished, then again it powoził car around town, before it reached the station. And so with me in Germany could not find anything.
JR - But mine in Walbrzych is not so much not - have to know the environment, buildings?
GNF-skated with him a long time, I urged, threatened, nothing could. He said that when it was first feared. He said that people everywhere watched SS, described them as "sharp", he said that had such strange characters in uniform, you've never seen before.
JR - Did he say anything about what was mine?
GNF - Yes, he said that his colleagues he took a cyclotron, but it turned out that this second, because one was already there. They are they installed the second. He told me that mine was specially adapted. There were carts, tables, all necessary equipment, and the entrance locks and guards. He could not go, because he had a special pass.
JR - you talked about the underground nuclear laboratory, Grigory Nikolayevich believe him?
GNF - I believed. He talked about the little things that he knew our interview. There they were in the mine underground telephone connection to the whole Germany. She was reportedly television. Yes, I believed him, he had no need to lie, for it was then a bullet.
JF-not looking for more of this mine?
GNF - What do you mean we were looking for? How could not look? I no longer, but our long sought. They were German plans for the mine, went with the Polish miners. For nothing was. Not found, and several were killed.
JR-attack was some kind of mine?
GNF - Do not attack, only the Germans and Poles working in the mine secretly overs mines. That, and stopped to look.
JR - I, Germany had the atomic bomb?
GNF - I have this question, you do not answer, but history may give an answer. They had a lot more than we expected.
Perhaps you should simply confine yourself to saying you don't know much about him.
I do not consider Georgi Nikolayvitch Frolov to be a totaly reliable source because I can't find anything about this person
Thus I cannot put them into the category of a reliable source at this moment.
The hero interview "Secrets of the Walbrzych coal mine" is a scholar of Soviet nuclear physicist, designer of rocket technology and nuclear, Georgy Nikolayevich Florow (Flerow, 1913-1990). Since 1960, he was director of the Laboratory of Nuclear Reactions Institute of Nuclear Research in Dubna. More information can be found about him in Google.
Interview with Florowem reaffirms far reaching war plans of Adolf Hitler, associated with the largest German investment in the military at the end of the war in the Owl Mountains in Walbrzych, known under the code name "Riese". As for underground research laboratories and production facilities in the most modern weapons, which was to decide the fate of the war in favor of the Germans. The construction began in late 1943 after the bombing by the Allies Penemunde.
In my town, Głuszyca are open to the public by tourists underground tunnels, halls and sidewalks the length of about 2 km. into the massif. Unfortunately, much of the underground tunnel is blocked infarcts.
Originally posted by mad scientist
Once again, all there is here-say from some very minor characters. There are no primary sources and it seems that a lot of this stuff is faked. It's interesting to see so much of this "information" coming from Polish sources. The Bell hoax has been perpetrated to sell books nothing more.
Nothing I have seen leads me to believe anything about the Bell is believable and I have a very open mind. The whole "interviews" and supposed "documents" probably don't even exist as no primary sources are ver produced.
Originally posted by sy.gunson
Originally posted by mad scientist
Once again, all there is here-say from some very minor characters. There are no primary sources and it seems that a lot of this stuff is faked. It's interesting to see so much of this "information" coming from Polish sources. The Bell hoax has been perpetrated to sell books nothing more.
Nothing I have seen leads me to believe anything about the Bell is believable and I have a very open mind. The whole "interviews" and supposed "documents" probably don't even exist as no primary sources are ver produced.
Once again commentary from someone who has done no research and knows nothing himself.
Originally posted by W3RLIED2
reply to post by sy.gunson
You have sources for any of this? It all sounds plausible but with no documents to back it up it means nothing.
My understanding of Dresden has always been that it was an allied terror bombing. More interesting and more pertinent to the Bell would be the british bombing runs around Penemunde after the germans had already "left" the place.
So far there has not been any well documented evidence of there being more than one Bell. However, I would hedge my bets that there was multiple or perhaps maybe several prototypes that have been buried under piles of rubble beneath Penemunde that still lay undiscovered.
I would also suggest that it's not a far stretch to think that the Soviets may have recovered some information on the Bell, just like the Brits, and the Americans did. After Penemunde was under attack it was an all out Allied race to get the Nazis secret toys so the Russians may have gotten their hands on some Bell technology as well.
Ferrel has some decent proposals with some verifiable documentation's, as does Igor Witkowski, I believe, even though many researchers choose to overlook them since they made the "mistake" of making money off of the UFO community. What a joke, but thats a different discussion all together.
Other than that try getting FOIA documents for Project Lusty. Maybe if more people than myself keep applying to look at them the will stop putting us off for years at a time. Project Lusty is the lesser know companion of Project Paperclip. The MO of Lusty was 25,000 pounds of paper documentation the US took from Penemunde while Paperclip was ongoing. As we were bringing scientists over from Germany, we were also bringing all of their research too. Thats where the real information will be found. Until than, the rest is still speculation, but there's nothing wrong with that.
Secrets of mine Walbrzych
2008-04-24 (14:14)
I have before me a document that you sent me an interesting puzzle for years Sowie, a retired officer, Joseph Piszczek from Wroclaw. This is a transcript of an interview with the Soviet scientist - a physicist, Grigory Nikolayevich Frolov, which took place in late 1983 in Warsaw. This occurred just after a scientific conference in the Palace of Culture. Perhaps then handed down the reactor "Maria" to another research facility associated with medicine. Unfortunately, we do not know the relationship the author, who hid under the code name JR We know that the person was engaged in research on the German atomic bomb during the war, however, the conversation took place through the intercession of prof. Zdzislaw Szymanski with the Institute of Nuclear Research in Swierk, the father of Polish school of theoretical nuclear physics from the University of Warsaw. Prof. Szymanski persuaded fellow "musician"to this conversation, because as he said "nobody knows so much about the German research, like Frolov.
And here is a faithful record of interview, reproduced on the basis of notes.[see transcript of 1983 interview above]
Whether the likes of Igor Witkowski (plus Farrell & Cook) willfully disseminated UFO theories to distract the public from the real history of the Nazi bell or were themselves misled, I am convinced that all this stuff about UFOs and levitation are just manipulative disinformation campaigns by western governments which belong to NATO.