Originally posted by I B Dazzlin
reply to post by sy.gunson
I do not consider Georgi Nikolayvitch Frolov to be a totaly reliable source because I can't find anything about this person. All I could bring up
was a sight about Georgi Nikolayvitch Frolov, the contemporary Russian literary author. I also cannot find anything about a few of the other people
you were talking about, such as Dr. Moldovia. Thus I cannot put them into the category of a reliable source at this moment. What I need, is to look
at primary sources of information about this, rather than getting it second hand. Then I can try to gather information to proove whether this is fact
or fiction. It would be great if you could provide some sources for me to look into. Maybe you could link some web sites or give me the names of
some books, with their authors. You have only given very generalized information about where you have gotten your info.
what the professor has written is cited on websites in Polish
Given that you admit you know nothing of Frolov it is pretty rich saying he is not a reliable source. Perhaps you should simply confine yourself to
saying you don't know much about him.
You knew nothing about him until I informed you.
Unfortunately many people who were born in the internet age do not understand what the Cold war was like nor the secrecy of the Soviet Union. What you
are saying is equivalent to saying because you have never read anything on the internet about some scientist in North Korea's nuclear program, ipso
facto that person has no credibility.
Youngsters forget that just like North Korea today, the soviet Union did not freely exchange information about it's most important scientific
research, be that nuclear, physics or rocketry. Much about the soviet era has only come to light since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989. Anyone who
was not an adult then will not even grasp the point I make.
Whilst his work is undoubtedly obscure, I spent 20 minutes on the internet and came up with these references to GN Frolov:
1. A Scientific and Technical Conference on elastic sensing elements used in measuring instruments and
automation was held in Moscow from March 22-25 1960. The conference was organized by the State Scientific and Technical Committee of the Council of
Ministers, USSR and the Scientific Research Institute of Thermal Instruments of the State Committee of the Council of Ministers, USSR, on automation
in engineering with the participation of the Scientific and Technical Instrument Making Society together with the administration of the exhibition of
the achievements of the USSR national economy.
Thirty-one papers and several reports were read at the Conference.G.N. Frolov reported on the planning of technological processes in the production of
springs and diaphragms for elastic elements (from the data of the Scientific Institute of Automation and Remote Control).
2. Frolov is also cited in an Isreali scientific paper:
"Electron transfer in donor-acceptor pair in modified α-chymotrypsin. Effect of microviscosity, macroviscosity and local polarity"
Olga V. Belonogovaa, , Gertz I. Likhtensteinb and Victor I. Krinichnyia, (a) Institute of Chemical Physics, Russian Academy of Sciences,
Chernogolovka, Moscow Region, 142432, Russia (b) Department of Chemistry, Ben Gurion University of the Negev, P.O. Box 653.84105, Beer-Sheva,
3. Electron transfer in donor-acceptor pair in modified α-chymotrypsin. Effect of microviscosity, macroviscosity and local polarity; A.I. Berg, P.P.
Knox, A.A. Kononenko, G.N. Frolov, I.N. Chrymova, A.B. Rubin, G.I. Likhtenstein, V.I. Goldanskii, F. Parak, M. Bucl and R. Mössbauer.
4. Diagnosis and Treatment of Mesenchymal Chondrosarcoma, Murav'ev GN, Fradkin SZ, Zhavrid EA, Furmanchuk AV, Bogovich IuA, and Frolov GN PubMed ID:
2596059 Voprosy onkologii 35(10):1170-5, 1989
Part of the transcript of the frolov interview supplied by retired Polish Army officer Józef Piszczek of Wrocław.
GNFrołow - Why you are interested in the German nuclear research?
JR - I am sometimes with us in the south of the Polish Owl Mountains, near Walbrzych, there are underground tunnels during the war and legend
circulating that the Germans began there any scientific research, and yet I know that they did not have a nuclear bomb. These rumors, however, occur
so often that the topic interested me, and Mr. Szymanski said that Grigory Nikolayevich you know about everything.
GNF - (laughter) - No one knows everything, because the Germans had a lot of documents and materials poniszczyli experimental, and it took a lot of
allies, the Americans. And where were you in the mountains near Waldenburg?
JR - I think everywhere in Głuszyca in Walim,
GNF - Wait, wait, use the German names. I just remember I do not know Polish.
JR - That I remember them: Wüstegiersdorf, Ludwigsdorf, Wüstewaltersdorf, Dörnau,
GNF - A Rudolfswald you were in?
JR - Rudolfswald, it's probably Sierpnica. Of course, I
GNF - Sierpnica? I do not know. In the documents then I think I saw a different Polish name, something from a tree - unless Larch. Tell me what was it
JR - To the southeast of the village, not far, about a mile of such a rock-hewn tunnels built by prisoners.
GNF - That's right. (That's actually - in 1945, this village was called Modrzewki-JR) In 1945, our army was there. Interesting things from there
JR - What are the military, the army has gone away yet?
GNF - Army, yes, but we had such special units (varies).
JR - SMERSH?
GNF-No, SMERSH - a lot of you know (smiling) - Szymanski spoke well of you. In Rudolfswaldu and elsewhere was an interview-no scientific researchers
in uniform, but not subordinated to NKMD.
JR-Współpracowaliście Grigory Nikolayevich with them?
GNF - No, not with them, until I read the reports in Moscow.
JF - As it is only in Moscow, then you have not been in Lower Silesia after the war?
GNF - In Lower Silesia, no, I was not (varies), I was only in Waldenbergu.
JR - Can you tell me what ye are ye doing there best Soviet nuclear physicist?
GNF - (laughs) Such compliments I do not say, I'm not a girl. A lot better than I was. And with us, even Igor Kurchatov, AIU Germans, as it turned
JR - How are the Germans? So it's true of the German atomic bomb?
GNF - True and false - it's always mixed up with each other (silent a long moment.) How many years have passed, thirty-eight think, well, well -
I'll tell you, ask.
JR - I must admit I do not know what I have to ask. I know too little. How was the Rudolfswaldu that there were too interesting things that you
GNF - Rudolfswald is another story. There he studied the military and talk about it I can not.
JR - A Walbrzych were you?
GNF - In Waldenbergu I was, but before returning from Germany to Moscow.
JR - What jechaliście to Germany, can you tell?
GNF - me there and Kurchatov Stalin sent. Reports are that Germany will keep atomic research. I went there as a representative of the Ministry of
Light Machines. It turned out the place that the Germans were more advanced in these studies than you could imagine.
JR - Communication of information to you?
GNF - Information and test results showed the different places, and therefore in Waldenbergu be found.
JR - They showed something in Walbrzych?
GNF - No, Waldenbergu not, but I learned that the interview held in Dresden, German scientist, physicist who told me about secret trials in
Waldenburgu, it took him and went, but he knew too little.
JR - How to - too little?
GNF - You see, the Germans had a lot of research groups. My German Dresden worked at the institute under the Ministry of Post, only once was
Waldenbergu install the device, because that center subject to the SS.
JR - Whoa, whoa,'ve lost track. SS could do research, but the Ministry of Post? What Mail has to do with scientific research?
GNF - (laughs) That the times were, after all I said. No one would not expect an atom in the Ministry of Posts and (laughs) in the Ministry of Light
Machines like us too.
JR - But your German is a physicist working in Walbrzych.
GNF - His institute has it some of the equipment for the SS and he only helped in the installation, I wanted the laboratory must see, but nothing came
JR - Germans blew up?
GNF - Blow up probably did not blow up because it's the same city it was, but he could not hit.
GNF - was there only once. The car which he drove from the station a long ride around the city and a German way is lost. Later, they entered into the
mine and succinct it into the ground. Two days of sitting there, worked, ate and slept under the earth. As he finished, then again it powoził car
around town, before it reached the station. And so with me in Germany could not find anything.
JR - But mine in Walbrzych is not so much not - have to know the environment, buildings?
GNF-skated with him a long time, I urged, threatened, nothing could. He said that when it was first feared. He said that people everywhere watched SS,
described them as "sharp", he said that had such strange characters in uniform, you've never seen before.
JR - Did he say anything about what was mine?
GNF - Yes, he said that his colleagues he took a cyclotron, but it turned out that this second, because one was already there. They are they installed
the second. He told me that mine was specially adapted. There were carts, tables, all necessary equipment, and the entrance locks and guards. He could
not go, because he had a special pass.
JR - you talked about the underground nuclear laboratory, Grigory Nikolayevich believe him?
GNF - I believed. He talked about the little things that he knew our interview. There they were in the mine underground telephone connection to the
whole Germany. She was reportedly television. Yes, I believed him, he had no need to lie, for it was then a bullet.
JF-not looking for more of this mine?
GNF - What do you mean we were looking for? How could not look? I no longer, but our long sought. They were German plans for the mine, went with the
Polish miners. For nothing was. Not found, and several were killed.
JR-attack was some kind of mine?
GNF - Do not attack, only the Germans and Poles working in the mine secretly overs mines. That, and stopped to look.
JR - I, Germany had the atomic bomb?
GNF - I have this question, you do not answer, but history may give an answer. They had a lot more than we expected.