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Originally posted by undo
reply to post by whatukno
i've been saying there is translation bias and what appears to be modifications/additions, for a long time now. pretty much every text on the planet has the same types of problems. edits, additions, ya know, like the posts on ats. it's that you don't know me very well and make alot of assumptions. i'm just defending other people. you should too. i know you don't like the way some people apply their free will but it is their free will and we are all at various stages of growth. i also am concerned with the direction all the anti-religion stuff is going in and i'll tell ya why:
here, on planet earth, you have billions of people who believe in a religion of some kind. some are much more serious about it than others. many just go along because it's socially comfortable and they adapt to the environment (isn't adaptation a human strong suit and survival mechanism?) if you raise up an army of people who believe the religious folks are evil bad crazy people, you are setting up most of the people on the planet to be stereotyped into oblivion and tinkered with in ways that are psychologically dangerous. this is not acceptable to me.
Originally posted by skeptic_al
Originally posted by WeAreAWAKE
Originally posted by fonenyc
reply to post by WeAreAWAKE
Are you Muslim? Have you even been around muslims or a mosque? Did you know Islam is a religion of peace? Fanatacism is eveywhere and in many forms; one would say that what you just stated, basically writing off the largest religion in the world, is a form of zealotry called ignorance. This country was founded on extremism, the complete genocide of some native american tribes to colonize America, so lets not completely disenfranchise the extremists.
You are correct. I am not Muslim nor do I know many. I know about five and they are all Americanized, peaceful and nice people. But...if the "extremists" who call, quote and use Islam as their reason for extremism were instead...I don't know...vegetarians, and call, quote and use vegetarianism as their reason for killing us...I would also be weary and careful around them, and call for the non-radical vegetarians to stand up against them and POLICE THEIR OWN!
When Yousef did the WTC in 1993, he never cited the reasons as being for Islam or Muslem. The Muslem Extermist tag was placed on him by Christians because he was a Muslem and tried to blow something up. And 8 years Later, with help from Jewish Owned Media like FOX, turned it into a War against Muslims vs Christians taking all focus off the real reason "Israel". It worked a Treat. And as everybody learned later, the White House gets all their Intel and News from Fox.
As naive as comments like these are, I will reply to you. Here's an instance of Bill O Reilly's obvious bias: www.youtube.com...
Originally posted by NeverApologize
reply to post by technical difficulties
I am sure you can give me a whole bunch of false quotes that Bill, Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh have stated also, no? Quotes, not what you have "heard", that they have stated. I wa nt cold hard facts. Can you stick to that for me?
Also, Whoopie pie got owned. She caved and crumbled like a burnt cake!
Oh and sorry, Liberals are the topic at hand. This was a well known Liberal "Attack the Conservative" show.edit on 15-10-2010 by NeverApologize because: Addition
Originally posted by WeAreAWAKE
Please correct me if I'm wrong...but...all the terrorists on 9/11 were Muslim.
Definition of TERRORISM
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
Merriam-Webster's definition of Terrorism
Definition of TERROR
1: a state of intense fear
2a : one that inspires fear : scourge b : a frightening aspect c : a cause of anxiety : worry d : an appalling person or thing; especially : brat
3: reign of terror
4: violent or destructive acts (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands
Merriam-Webster's definition of Terror
Originally posted by WeAreAWAKE
Please correct me if I'm wrong...but...all the terrorists on 9/11 were Muslim.
Originally posted by WeAreAWAKE
Please correct me if I'm wrong...but...all the terrorists on 9/11 were Muslim.
Originally posted by WeAreAWAKE
Please correct me if I'm wrong...but...all the terrorists on 9/11 were Muslim.
Patrick Daniel "Pat" Tillman (November 6, 1976 – April 22, 2004) was an American football player who left his professional sports career and enlisted in the United States Army in June 2002, in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001, attacks. He joined the United States Army Rangers and served multiple tours in combat before he died in the mountains of Afghanistan. Initially, the U.S. government attempted a cover-up, reporting that Tillman had been killed by enemy fire, with Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal approving a Silver Star citation. Later, his actual cause of death by friendly fire was recognized.
A New York Times book review of Jon Krakauer's Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman noted that the book did well to compile the facts and "nauseating" details regarding the cover-up of Tillman's death, stating "After Tillman’s death, Army commanders, aided and abetted by members of the Bush administration, violated many of their own rules, not to mention elementary standards of decency, to turn the killing into a propaganda coup for the American side.
en.wikipedia.org...
radical
late 14c. (adj.), in a medieval philosophical sense, from L.L. radicalis "of or having roots," from L. radix (gen. radicis) "root" (see radish). Meaning "going to the origin, essential" is from 1650s. Political sense of "reformist" (via notion of "change from the roots") is first recorded 1802 (n.), 1820 (adj.), of the extreme section of the British Liberal party (radical reform had been a current phrase since 1786); meaning "unconventional" is from 1921. U.S. youth slang use is from 1983, from 1970s surfer slang meaning "at the limits of control." Radical chic is attested from 1970.
Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by undo
Do I think you're 12? Absolutely not, most 12 year olds have the capacity of tolerance and acceptance of new cultures without prejudice, unless of course acted upon by a closed minded parental figure.
And no, no wars have ever been fought "in the name of Atheism". Wars may have been fought for Secular reasons. But that is different than killing in the name of Atheism.
reply to post by nightbringr
yes it is flawed.
The reason it's flawed is because you can do the exact same thing with the Bible or the Torah. Both of which have similar passages in them, yet they are obviously not evil religions are they? Because a concept cannot be evil or good, it's only actions that determine whether something is evil or good, and a concept cannot act. Only a person can act.
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
reply to post by Xtrozero
Did you know, that the more fundamentalist the Muslim, the LESS likely s/he is to be a terrorist.
You have to ask the why the west dislikes Islam so much, is it because:
O~ They don't allow loans at interest
O~ They don't buy american pork
O~ They practice modesty
O~ They fast regularly
O~ They grow beards
O~ They use Coca-Cola as a degreaser
O~ They are sitting on the stuff that makes the US empire possible.
O~ etc etc etc
Just like in Latin America, the US has been poking its nose in where it don't belong in an obtuse manner - and they wonder why the Mid East hates them.
Yes well that is all fine and good. Why is it then that over 96% of people in the Middle East are muslim with the exception of Israel? Because they are indoctrinated at birth. Of course people have free-will, but when you are told something is a fact from the day you can understand words, you tend to believe it. Im sure some of the forward thinking Arabs decide on other religions or none at all, but it is very rare. Believeing heaven is a paradise that can be reachable by blowing up Jews or Westerners with a bomb strapped to your chest is a very powerful tool to those who want to cause problems.
Fact: They im sure all believed their god was pleased with their actions. You cannot deny those two simple truths.
And i welcome you to find passages from the Bible that are nearly as hate-filled to non-believes as half of what has been posted here about the Quran. Torah is a different matter, im asking about the Bible.
And a concept cant be evil? Im sorry i disagree. Espousing that all Jews slaughtered is evil, plain and simple. It does not have to be acted upon to be evil.
Originally posted by skeptic_al
reply to post by WeAreAWAKE
Pretty much all Arabs are Muslim, your point being....
Originally posted by AB173-1970
reply to post by rakkasansct
I agree holding fast and asking a few intelligent questions with the right delivery could have taken him out. But they chose to flee rather than fight.