Twitter ablaze with UFO sighting reports in NYC. Anyone confirm?

Given the above scenarios and the factual data and evidence I'm presenting here, it is THEREFORE IMPOSSIBLE that standard latex balloons, the kind seen in the pictures and being thrown around by debunkers and skeptics, could be what was witnessed for over 4 hours by multiple sources. That doesn't mean that some people didn't see the yellow balloons when they were released, it means that after 30 minutes, they would no longer be visible or would have popped or been carried away by wind currents which would also infer that 2 hours later, it could not be possible in any way that those balloons were the same ones released.

Maybe these balloons were made with Jack's Magic Balloon Seeds. And did they check to see if Silver balloons are stronger than Yellow balloons? If not, that is a clear case of Balloon Racialism(tm) on the part of the researchers.

Okay, I am done.

*facepalm*

Everyone is just too far out there in no man's land.

What did I tell ya...

Balloons, fly some fighters around..get the UFO-ET buzz going to a ferver all over the communication platforms (twitter for one). Later solve it saying it was ballons released by students, commercial aircraft in the area being rerouted or in holding patterns...if need be, simply say it was NOAA conducting weather experiments. Say they are studying freakish weather patterns that have happened over the last couple months

When the real deal happens, if it does happen and it is reported again, the response by the majority will be, no need to pay much attention
(JUST BALLOONS, kids at a school, NOAA weather research)

Ingenious yet so simple

Originally posted by Section31
reply to post by SonOfTheLawOfOne

 

So... A school teacher, her students, and the school lied?

NYC UFO: Just a Bunch of Balloons?

I don't know how these people would lie. Can you prove that they lied?

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So... A school teacher, her students, and the school broke the laws of physics?

Are you trying to claim that their balloons were somehow special enough to stay afloat and unburst for 4 hours? By pointing out that balloons can not physically last that long, or at such great heights, is not saying the teacher, the students, or the school are lying. It is saying it is a ridiculous misdirection based on the fact that it is physically impossible that these were the same objects observed by the eyewitnesses.

Originally posted by Section31
reply to post by SonOfTheLawOfOne

 

So... A school teacher, her students, and the school lied?

NYC UFO: Just a Bunch of Balloons?

I don't know how these people would lie. Can you prove that they lied?

edit on 15-10-2010 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

Your logic is so flawed. People release balloons in they sky every single day in NYC, and most people are familiar with what a balloon in the sky looks like. Do you think dozens of people would be stupid enough to not notice that the objects which they were captivated by for hours were balloons if they really were? Also how do balloons remain stationary in the sky, and how do they light up at night?

reply to post by Crimelab

I think people are digging a little too deep.

Let us go by everyone's four hour balloon theory...
If these balloons did disappear after four hours, is it possible for copycats to take advantage of this opportunity? Maybe release more balloons during the night?

Originally posted by obzerv

 

Do you think dozens of people would be stupid enough to not notice that the objects which they were captivated by for hours were balloons if they really were?

It would not be the first time.

I am sorry, I had to go to work yesterday and I missed around 60 pages of this thread. Can someone bring me up to speed? Now it is not planes but balloons?

As others have pointed out, balloons do not hover. Balloons do not disappear and reappear. Balloons do not make drastic turns and change directions like what I saw.

Originally posted by Section31
reply to post by Crimelab

 

I think people are digging a little too deep.

Let us go by everyone's four hour balloon theory...
If these balloons did disappear after four hours, is it possible for copycats to take advantage of this opportunity? Maybe release more balloons during the night?

This does not change the fact these "objects" were seen at great heights and remained stationary for long periods of time.

1) Latex balloons do not survive that high and that long
2) They definitely don't appear stationary for long periods of time.

So even if "copycats" somehow wanted to release other balloons to somehow mimic the Yellow and Silver balloons that were already released (and how would they know?), if they were standard latex balloons, they still would not exhibit the behavior seen by the eyewitnesses.

Originally posted by MrWendal
I am sorry, I had to go to work yesterday and I missed around 60 pages of this thread. Can someone bring me up to speed? Now it is not planes but balloons?

MrWendal.....

Here are my thoughts regarding the objects.

Here are my thoughts about observer bias triggered by a perceptual feedback loop.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by Section31
reply to post by Crimelab

 

I think people are digging a little too deep.

Let us go by everyone's four hour balloon theory...
If these balloons did disappear after four hours, is it possible for copycats to take advantage of this opportunity? Maybe release more balloons during the night?

Originally posted by obzerv

 

Do you think dozens of people would be stupid enough to not notice that the objects which they were captivated by for hours were balloons if they really were?

It would not be the first time.

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Just in the last two pages, I would think that the balloon theory would be dismissed, but apparently not....

While I don't disagree that copycats could have seized the moment, I think that would be far reaching. This went on all day long, not just for a 30 minute window. Add to this the fact that people in NY see strange stuff all the time and since 9/11, have become very efficient at looking up in the sky. I wouldn't take them for being idiots.

I can feel the panic as the debunkers and the skeptics are running around trying to find data to dispute the latex balloon scenario and radar facts, but it won't happen and they'll be back holding on with a kung-fu grip to the school teacher and kids story. Otherwise, this debate can stand on the fact that they are not identified, and what we have is a mass sighting that there is no "official" story for.

~Namaste

Okay, I have no more to contribute. Unless people start to think on solid ground, there cannot be an intellectual conversation. People are just expanding the facts behind this scenario, so it would fit into a very specific narrative. Once someone comes in with a rational expiation (evidence), you people are changing the original story that was told.

You people are now creating an entirely new narrative, so it will fit into some sort of UFO fantasy. I can no longer take you people seriously.

reply to post by MrWendal


You can also look back on the past two pages and see quite a bit of information that has been presented on this also backing up what you're saying. Latex balloons are not what people saw, so it had to be something else, which as of yet, is still unidentified.

~Namaste

Originally posted by Section31
reply to post by Crimelab

 

Okay, I have no more to contribute. Unless people start to think on solid ground, there cannot be an intellectual conversation. People are just expanding the facts behind this scenario, so it would fit into a very specific narrative. Once someone comes in with a rational expiation (evidence), you people are changing the original story that was told.

You people are now creating an entirely new narrative, so it will fit into some sort of UFO fantasy. I can no longer take you people seriously.

Sure. Whatever.

The facts are these sightings went on for a long time during the day. Much longer than any standard latex balloons (like the ones pictured at the Madrid celebration and the teacher's party) could have possibly lasted.

Nobody has tried to change those facts at all. And I am not trying to feed any type of fantasy. I have never claimed these "objects" were of extra-terrestrial intelligence. I am arguing from the standpoint they are still UNIDENTIFIED.

reply to post by Section31


Your contributions are just as valid as anyone else's, but to say that we are not thinking on the level is seriously misguided imho.

Nobody is twisting facts here. At least not the people presenting actual facts. Both sides have presented valid data. I think it's safe to conclude from Rich and One10 that the lights in the sky were air traffic. So that's to the credit of the skeptics and debunkers, they did, in my opinion, disprove with strong supporting evidence, that the lights were likely planes. They have not done a convincing job, for me, on the balloons and I feel I've presented a stronger argument for the contrary.

Tons of people lose balloons every day... all over every major city in the world. The ones the teacher and the kids are referring to does not equal the number of objects seen, nor could they have defied the laws of physics to have stayed in a specific field of view for more than 30 minutes. I have proven that with factual data and studies that have been done on the elevation balloons can reach. There is no way that the balloons that got blown away or lost by a group of kids and a school teacher would stop hundreds (perhaps thousands) of people in New York City dead in their tracks long enough to look up and stay in one place for hours. It just isn't probable (while it is possible). So I beg to differ with your perspective on things and welcome you to engage in the debate with more credible information than just a coincidental release of a few 11" balloons.

~Namaste

Originally posted by SonOfTheLawOfOne
reply to post by Section31

 

Your contributions are just as valid as anyone else's, but to say that we are not thinking on the level is seriously misguided imho.

You people called a bunch of school children, their teacher, and the school a bunch of liars. It has nothing to do with my contribution. If you go back and reread the last two pages, you will see that people called their testimony a fake.

All logic has been abandoned.

Regardless about what evidence in the contrary people will contribute, many have already decided that these balloons were of alien origin.

Logic has already been lost. Nothing in this thread can be taken serious, nor can there be an honest debate.

My skeptical analysis based upon the news and video evidence is over.

Originally posted by KIZZZY
I am sure when that person in the video got home and found out about the event
on that day he might view it with a different pair of eyes... or not.

Ah, now I got it! Now I'm starting to see how this works.

So people who saw something contrary to yellow balloons...should go home---THINK ABOUT what they saw and said---convert their first-hand testimony to conform to the yellow Balloon theory!

Okay.
Got it!
Thanks.
My bad!

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by SonOfTheLawOfOne
reply to post by Section31

 

Your contributions are just as valid as anyone else's, but to say that we are not thinking on the level is seriously misguided imho.

You people called a bunch of school children, their teacher, and the school a bunch of liars. It has nothing to do with my contribution. If you go back and reread the last two pages, you will see that people called their testimony a fake.

You people? So a difference in opinion makes us different people? Nice... just shows your character. To correct you, I don't think anyone flat out called the kids and teacher liars, I think what is being presented is that they are mistaken to believe that THEIR balloons were visible in the same place in the sky for over 4 hours and it was THEIR balloons that people mistook for unidentified flying objects. Stop trying to paint them as victims.

All logic has been abandoned.

So by your standards, I didn't use logic to demonstrate the laws of physics and how they relate to latex balloons? I'm leaning toward your logic being flawed, not it being abandoned.

Regardless about what evidence in the contrary people will contribute, many have already decided that these balloons were of alien origin.

They weren't balloons, so naturally, people will conclude that they must be something else. Again, flawed logic on your part. People are attempting to make decisions based on facts, not speculation but are being confused between the two.

Logic has already been lost. Nothing in this thread can be taken serious, nor can there be an honest debate.

It truly is a shame you feel that way. This could very well be one of the best instances of a real mass sighting in a long time and you'd rather dismiss it as balloons than give it some critical thought.

My skeptical analysis based upon the news and video evidence is over.

And so I thank you for your analysis but in my opinion, if fell very short of presenting anything new or factual to this debate. I welcome your feedback so please contribute if you feel you should.

~Namaste

This was not balloons, That is not a theory it is a fact...I frequent this site quite often and have been a member now for a few months but i never post on the site but after reading this i figured it was about time to speak up. now i have read a lot of intresting and just plain stupid things on this site but believing that those are balloons is just plain ridiculous. Come on how many balloons escape vendors and party's all day long in such a large city? You can try to convince someone else of your balloon theory but not me/ Now i'm not saying it is E.T in origin but let's just say I WANT TO BELIEVE...but it is most likely not the case either. So if it's not balloons, and it cant be proven what it actually was all we have are the facts. So that being said the facts are that there was something in the sky over NYC and that can not be disputed, And hundreds of people saw this. So that makes it a ufo... UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT. So instead of disputing the impossible why don't we go back and look at the facts and evidence.

It wouldn't behoove you to concentrate on the EarthCam for that had nothing to do with the 12-hour long events on Oct 13th in Manhattan.
EarthCam rumors were the result of Internet users.

So far it's one of two things: 1) We just don't know or 2) It was a major hoax with deliberate staging.

as a person who was asked by a member to veiw the cam over nyc
i personally can say there was something strange about the movement of the large light source in the series
as there acually was something strange happening (imho) i took screen shots
please dont incinuate there was an effort to distract
we (five or six members) watched the cam for over an hour witnessing frames at 10-15 second intervals

when something strange happened
I TOOK SCREEN SHOTS
so did others
i compiled mine and you have seen the gif
thats what i saw in real time in 10-15 second increments

i wont say what it is untill i have more night time footage from the same cam as a comparason

in the mean time know that there is no intent to deceive by me the maker of screen shots
all pic are on my ats photos for all members to veiw

i am sure anyone acually seeing it as i did would be asking questions

1 i saw something strange
2 i recorded it with screen shots
3 i made a gif the first one i have made
4 what you see is what was happening
5 its too early to claim all light sources in the gif can be explained (identifyed)
6 i have only asked questions not made a statement
anyone wanting an eye witness account of this can message me

dont shoot the messenger if you dont like the message

xploder

reply to post by Crimelab


Crimelab, those winds that you believe should have pushed the balloons away are the same winds that could actually keep the balloons in the area. It is 100% possible for winds to push balloons down to a lower altitude, and also push them back to where they came from. It is also 100% possible that winds were minimal and they didn't push the balloons away at all. It is also possible for winds to cross each other and create dead zones where balloons can get stuck in.

You should also research what happens to balloons that don't pop. The helium atoms are so small that they are squeezed through the pores of balloons and the balloons deflate faster than normal air balloons, and they loose altitude and never make it high in the sky to be popped.

With that said...