Unwilling/Unprepared family members

reply to post by SeenMyShare


I am more or less neutral on the subject given I am a bit old to survive a major disaster. On the other hand I have my plow horses, seed, plow.....

My suggestion is start with the non threatening. Prepare for bad weather stuff. Next you might want to educate them on some of the behind the scene stuff. I use:

MONEY:
Money is Created by Banks: Evidence Given by Graham Towers
freedomprime.blogspot.com...
A PRIMER ON MONEY: Congressional COMMITTEE ON BANKING AND CURRENCY.
famguardian.org...
1933 speeches by Congressman McFadden
www.modernhistoryproject.org...
President's report: www.uhuh.com...

All the Above are Uncontestable information. The below are "secondary sources"
A short history is here: hubpages.com...
Web of Debt (by a lawyer)
www.webofdebt.com...
“The Creature from Jekyll Island” www.bigeye.com...
Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins, member of the staff of the Library of Congress
www.apfn.org...
An old article that explains much:
www.nytimes.com... New York Times

The second subject is FOOD:
I would start with the Congressional hearing testimony of Stan Painter:
njcfil.com...
AND
Nicole Johnson's well researched articles:
"History, HACCP and the Food Safety Con Job,"
www.opednews.com...
The Festering Fraud behind Food Safety Reform
www.foodsafetynews.com...

Worldwide:
The World Bank/IMF SAPs
www.whirledbank.org...

Reviewing F. William Engdahl's “Seeds of Destruction”
Part I www.smirkingchimp.com...
Part II www.smirkingchimp.com...
Part III virtual.smirkingchimp.com...

I am not discounting the collapse of the USA:

I am amazed that the US government, in the midst of the worst financial crises ever, is content for short-selling to drive down the asset prices that the government is trying to support....The bald fact is that the combination of ignorance, negligence, and ideology that permitted the crisis to happen still prevails and is blocking any remedy. Either the people in power in Washington and the financial community are total dimwits or they are manipulating an opportunity to redistribute wealth from taxpayers, equity owners and pension funds to the financial sector. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury www.countercurrents.org...

Stewart Dougherty, a specialist in inferential analysis, agrees. It is now "statistically impossible for the United States to pay its obligations". www.silverbearcafe.com...

The Department of Homeland Security says 80% of our ports are operated by Foreigners and they are buying and running US bridges and toll roads. www.alabamaeagle.org...

Statistics (courtesy of Bridgewater) showed in 1990,before WTO was ratified, Foreign ownership of U.S. assets amounted to 33% of U.S. GDP. By 2002 this had increased to over 70% of U.S. GDP. www.fame.org...

An analysis of the 2007 financial markets of 48 countries shows the world's finances are in the hands of a few mutual funds, banks, and corporations. This is the first report of global concentration of financial power ..www.insidescience.org...

And ON and ON

How ever if we can wake people up and kick the blood sucking banksters out of power, we may be able to stave off disaster. THAT is my major goal, educate people and get them to yell at the politicians.

There is some good news:

State budgets for 2010 face the largest shortfalls on record, totaling $194 billion or 28 percent of state budgets; and 2011 is expected to be worse. Unemployment has already officially hit 10 percent, and many economists expect it to rise higher. Continued high unemployment will keep state income tax receipts at low levels and increase demand for Medicaid and other essential services states provide. The existing alternatives are spending cuts or tax increases, but both will just serve to make the downturn deeper. When states cut spending, they lay off employees, cancel contracts with vendors, eliminate or lower payments to businesses and nonprofit organizations that provide direct services, and cut benefit payments to individuals. The result is a reduction in overall demand. Tax increases also remove demand, by reducing the amount of money people have to spend.

“Unless you’re North Dakota” – a state with a sizeable budget surplus, and the only state that is adding jobs when other states are losing them. A poll reported on February 13 ranked that weather-challenged state first in the country for citizen satisfaction with their standard of living. North Dakota’s affluence has been attributed to oil, but other states with oil are in deep financial trouble. The big drop in oil and natural gas prices propelled Oklahoma into a budget gap that is 18.5% of its general-fund budget. California is also resource-rich, with a $2 trillion economy; yet it has a worse credit rating than Greece. So what is so special about North Dakota? The answer seems to be that it is the only state in the union that owns its own bank. It doesn’t have to rely on a recalcitrant Wall Street for credit. It makes its own.
Candidates Across the Political Spectrum Pick Up on the Public Bank Model

In the quest to find ways to divorce the well-being of their states from the financial sector, a growing number of candidates are picking up on the public bank alternative. Florida, Illinois, Oregon, Massachusetts, Idaho and California all have candidates whose platforms contain this proposed solution to the credit crisis.
www.webofdebt.com...

reply to post by crimvelvet

Very good information there Crimvelvet! Thank you!

Wish I was near enough to learn to plow with a team from someone experienced! I've always had a hankering to do that.

I'm of two minds regarding survival. I'm older than I'd want to be to do it but as I'm the only one here doing the preparing and practicing and reading and learning... I need to survive long enough to give the younger ones some instruction and the supply information. I would most definitely not hesitate to be the diversion/distraction that allowed them to escape some hazard though.

reply to post by SeenMyShare

Glad I could be of help. The more info we spread around the better off we all are.

I have the plow, disc and manure spreader but I have only driven a team to a wagon. I can drive a single, pair or four-in-hand and I can harness and hitch so I figure I am in pretty good shape. (lots of books too)

Actually I am an escapee from NYC/ Boston but now I have my farm, goats and sheep. The neighbor across the way is the gardener although I used to have fruit/berry and veggies up north. We also have cows, pigs and poultry in the neighborhood and lots of talent. Nurse, carpenter, mechanic, welder... I am good with leather/harness-making.

The neighborhood is really in pretty good shape. We have a major river on my border, and large streams with big gullies/trees on the access roads so it would be easy to defend. We have no younger family but we are friends with the neighbors who are an extended family with several houses.

Northerners make fun of "southern hicks" but in a crunch they are who I want at my back if we ever need to go survival mode.

It is impossible to enlighten the unconscious.
You must wake one up before you speak.
If they refuse to awake there is nothing you can do.