New World Order.... Good????

I know that when people (those of us who actually care anyways) hear about the NWO, we think of Bilderberger meetings and uber wealthy elitists gathering and maneuvering the planet towards controllability.

This isn't what I'm referring to here. I was just reading the thread where Michio Kaku talks about the NWO and I have to say in a way he's right. Eventually we WILL have a level one conglomerate society, but this is the key.

It has to be a society where Inidividual liberty and personal responsibility are the number one priorities. THat's the ONLY way it will work. If people are forced to provide for everyone's welfare it will lead to utter chaos and revolt.

Socialism and social conglomeration only works if everyone puts in the amount of effort that they are capable of and they are capable of comparable effort. You can't have people that are more intelligent with highly developed skills getting the same benefits from those efforts as those who are capable of doing nothing. It leads to dissent and unhappiness, hence the term, progressives want equal misery for all.

IMO, there is no better framework for a global society than the COTUS and the first ten amendments along with a couple of others and a slight restructuring for global involvement.

The key to successful government is a strong framework, a small loose conglomeration or federation if you will and independent local governments operating within that framework. Much like the U.S. started out as.

Or the U.S. pre industrial revolution.

Once the railroad was introduced and basically the first monopoly within the U.S., things started to go downhill.

Would it be an easy transition for the U.S. to return to that stage? Absolutely not.

Is it necessary to avoid great conflict further down the road? Absolutely Yes.

People have a nature. That nature is relatively definable. There is an intrinsic quality to human desire. People want equality. People who have less, want more, and people who have more want more...The only way to meet people's desire is to instill a new attitude. An attitude of desiring not more, but instead more opportunity.

In the old days, education wasn't important. You had trades and you would apply for an apprenticeship in that trade and learn the trade and eventually go off on your own and practice the trade or take over for the craftsman who taught you the trade.

Now, it's almost like there are too many options and too much focus on education of things that have nothing to do with what you will be doing with your life. That's much of the reason that our tradesmen/women don't have the skill that they once did, or the work ethic that they once did. There are too many people doing too many different activities.

I'm starting to go off on a tangent here and want to get back on topic.

Any NWO needs to be based on individual liberty and personal responsibility, if we want it to be successful.

Equality. itself, needs to be based on individual liberty and personal responsibility. It is equality of opportunity that needs to be focused on, not general equality. People are not equal, you have some that are stronger, others that are faster and others that are smarter. Those that excel in their individual ways should excel in life, if they choose to maximize those skills that they excel at, but they have to be responsible for the choice to do sonething that they DON'T excel at.

NWO (or any government for that matter), can be good, so long as it follows the concepts of individual liberty and personal responsibility.

Does individual liberty and personal responsibility come at a price? Absolutely. It means you are responsible for defending you and yours and that also means that coming together as a local community is more necesary, and it means that people will have to grow a thicker skin when dealing with social pratices that they find personally offensive, but the benefits of a truly free society outweigh the costs 1000-1 IMO....

Jaden

Is GOOD & BAD!!

The world Needs a NEW Order, A NEW Way OF Live-in!

reply to post by Masterjaden


I've been thinking along the same lines lately. As we evolve as a race we will definitely need a one world government. In fact, it would solve most of todays problems if we had one right now.

The problem? The human race is radically immature, and it's leaders are corrupt. Even if it was set up like early America, the people would without a doubt grow complacent, and the PTB would seize more and more power, until you have a 1984 scenario. How are we supposed to maintain liberty under a one world government if even America can't hold on to its own values for more than a century?

Originally posted by BobbinHood
reply to post by Masterjaden

 

I've been thinking along the same lines lately. As we evolve as a race we will definitely need a one world government. In fact, it would solve most of todays problems if we had one right now.

The problem? The human race is radically immature, and it's leaders are corrupt. Even if it was set up like early America, the people would without a doubt grow complacent, and the PTB would seize more and more power, until you have a 1984 scenario. How are we supposed to maintain liberty under a one world government if even America can't hold on to its own values for more than a century?

Oh yes, a world under a single government immediately evolves beyond its past and everyone lives in peace and harmony.

Nothing like a divine miracle in a place where God will almost undoubtedly be banned, you know?

I am happy to say that I am old enough that I will probably not be around to see your paradise arrive. But... do remember me while you enjoy perfection

reply to post by redoubt


I didn't say I believed it was implementable ATT....

I don't, like someone else said, we have difficulty keeping liberty in individual nations, let alone pushing it out to the world.

Besides, the other thing is that all nations would have to willingly accept the authority of the conglomerate or it would be pointless.

That's why I feel that it is useless to implement without a solid backbone that is incorruptible. Which means no executive controlled police force, like the FBI, CIA, NSA etc....

A fireable SCOTUS, that is elected by the people not appointed for life by the POTUS.

There are many ways to defend freedom from tyranny, but the biggest thing is keeping the governed interested and to keep them from feeling impotent and powerless.

Jaden

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Like I said, we need to evolve more before it could ever be implemented. Did you even read my post before you quoted it?

A one world government, no. A world establishment, yes.

Thomas Jefferson said that less government is better. So in a way, we do need an establishment where world powers can trade resources, ideas, offer help and etc.

If we turn to more government, what good is it if government fails, then so does the population. We as humanity got to have room to grow or our future is going to turn into a "time machine" one, where two races are made and one affects the other.

As sad as this may be I think the Vulcans in Star Trek had the best idea.
Engineer your society to be void of emotion, and work on pure logic, because emotion is where in all problems lie.

A new world order is what we need but if the people running it are emotionally tied to the idea of power they will easily be corrupted. A creature run on emotion is a creature mentally unstable IMO and no I'm not a treky.

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of
the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power,
than by violent and sudden usurpations." -James Madison

euff Siad

A new world order one world government put into place by evil powers will be inherently evil by nature.

Maybe in time humanity can peacefully assemble a one world government, but I doubt it.

The reason being is that as individuals, I don't believe we will morally 'evolve'. My opinion: There will always be a good/evil dichotomy that exists in our nature and we will always be tempted to do that which is evil.

the thing is alot of people have had a lot of thought about this lately. like it or not, there will be a one world govt, at the very least a very large empire.

globalization has already begun, and as part of that is social, we are already feeling the change in our attitudes.

10 years ago, one world govt, seemed insane to me. I have come around to thinking, however, that it does create some solutions.

you could effectively make changes to a large population easily.
example. thorium power.
seriously, i heard about this 15 years ago. you could replace all power stations with thorium reactors. they urn a less volatile substance ... more importantly they don't go critical, and they can burn waste material from our current nuclear stations.

or grow food in a more organised structured way. on a global scale.

but the people who have built this globalization kick, aren't going to do that, so what can we do this late in the game? bear in mind... any suggestions of their motives that may have been made in the past.

i have some ideas, but discussing them would breach the terms and conditions, and i love this site (: