Is Free Thinking A Mental Illness?, page 2

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Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by Jobuko

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I challenge you to find a copy of the DSM IV-TR and find where creativity is a mental disorder. All I can think is that they read the studies that have linked schizophrenia to creativity, however, none of the diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia involve creativity. Furthermore, I cannot think of a single disorder that is diagnosed from a single behavior. They are all sets of behaviors that work together to create disordered thinking.

I agree and everyone needs to re-read this.

Psychology doesn't work like this. They do not define specific traits by themselves as being a disease. It also takes into account normal human behavior. When a mental illness description includes something like "shyness", it doesn't mean normal everyday shyness. It means a shyness on a level that causes harm to the person. It keeps them from being able to perform everyday tasks like working.

Not to mention the fact that things like Narcissistic Personality Disorder have been recognized for a while. I can tell you from personal experience that people with this disorder don't just like to look at themselves in a mirror, which seems to be the colloquial definition of Narcissism. My sister has it and the things she does because of it are not normal and are severe enough to destroy a family.

Also, just to throw this out there, "antisocial", when related to a mental illness, does not mean being a loner.

All psychologists will tell you that it is not a symptom of a mental disorder unless it causes extreme distress and disruption of daily life. This is why all first year Psych students go through a phase where they see themselves in every disorder that they study about and are warned against it. Everyone has personality quirks. These personality quirks don't cause disruption, therefore they are not symptoms of a mental illness.

There is already a lot of psychiatric reprisals happening in democratic countries. Why do you think so many targets of Gang Stalking, and Targeted Individuals identify themselves as whistle-blowers? The system is using psychiatry the same way it did in the former Soviet Union.

The psychiatric reprisal 1

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The psychiatric reprisal. 2 and 3
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It's being used more than you think, and if any of those definitions go through, it will be used for a lot more people.

Perfectly sane individuals are being listed and diagnosed with mental illnesses, because they choose to blow the whistle, or filed a complaint at work.

reply to post by Faiol

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As I've already stated a mental disorder is classified by more than a single aberrant behavior. Furthermore, as I've already stated oppositional defiant disorder is more than just questioning authority. All of this information has been available for 16 years, yet people choose to believe a propagandist article that misrepresents facts and creates their own facts in order to force their opinion on the reader.

reply to post by TaZCoN

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While you are totally correct saying that minor personality traits are normal, any mental health professional specialising in personality disorders will tell you that excessive narcissism, (Narcissistic personality disorder) is a pernicious condition that can make it extremely difficult for the sufferer to function within society. It permeates almost all aspects of a persons life; at best making them appear highly charismatic and charming, at worst imagine the most annoying self centered idiot with no concept of humility or compassion. It's well known that character defects such as this are endemic in criminals and sex offenders; and especially paedophiles, primarily a deep disregard for other peoples personal space
So these character defects are actually a lot more serious then you think, it's just the context in which you describe them, and the effects they can have on the sufferer if not treated early on.

@glitch88,

Im sorry to hear of your sisters condition, my best wishes to you an your family.

In Educational Psychology, it is a known and well accepted fact that the behaviors of students who have ADHD and students who would fall into the "Gifted" category overlap a lot. When I asked my professor, "If that's true, then how many Mozarts, Einsteins and Shakespeares are we drugging into oblivion?" He couldn't answer. He admitted to the entire lecture hall he'd never even thought about that. I hope that one question made him change his paradigm.

Creative people have traits that seem to be in complete opposites with each other. We have bursts of creativity where we have to finish a project, we're driven to, even if it means we don't sleep for days. Then afterwards we have a period of rest and seem like we're lazy. We like to be alone but need reinforcement. There are ten traits that artistic people have that I'm sure someone, if they walked into a psych office and told the doc about them, would immediately be prescribed heavy medication (if not outright committed for observation).

From the site: Creativity and Contradiction

Creative people have a great deal of physical energy, but they’re also often quiet and at rest. They work long hours, with great concentration, while projecting an aura of freshness and enthusiasm…This does not mean that creative people are hyperactive, always “on.” In fact, they rest often and sleep a lot. The important thing is that they control their energy; it’s not ruled by the calendar, the dock, an external schedule. When necessary, they can focus it like a laser beam; when not, creative types immediately recharge their batteries. They consider the rhythm of activity followed by idleness or reflection very important for the success of their work.

Creative people tend to be both extroverted and introverted. We’re usually one or the other, either preferring to be in the thick of crowds or sitting on the sidelines and observing the passing show. In fact, in psychological research, extroversion and introversion are considered the most stable personality traits that differentiate people from each other and that can be reliability measured. Creative individuals, on the other hand, seem to exhibit both traits simultaneously.

Creative people’s openness and sensitivity often exposes them to suffering and pain, yet also to a great deal of enjoyment… Being alone at the forefront of a discipline also leaves you exposed and vulnerable

We're also extremely open and sensitive to others. If you have it at your local library, I recommend the book Art for Life. It has an entire chapter devoted to this. I give this info because if the article is to be believed, we artists and free thinkers are in a lot of trouble. Information from the opposite side of the argument would help you.

When we were studying this in Art Education, I made a joke about how much of a miracle it was that we hadn't all been rounded up by the men with the butterfly nets. Now, it seems like it might be possible.

For all 10 traits see this site: 10 paradoxical traits of the creative persona

This kind of sh** pi**** me off. I've seen it wipe out both of my sisters. I know I've had anxiety problems in the past because of some bad experiences growing up, but I -can- work through it. I don't like being around people. I don't believe that should mean I'm broken. Strange thing is, I like to be in the city. I like the passion and hte activity. I love ot observe it all. But I hate to be in the crowd or any kind of center of attention. I'm more interested in talking about some obscure topic that I read in a book or read on the internet than I am talking about finances or girls or real-life stuff. Anyway, they're so caught up in categorizing people and "fixing" sh** that they end up overdoing it. A lot of things have multiple contributing reasons and are NOT simple.

Also I've read that some 30 percent or more of people do not respond to medications any better than a placebo. Furthermore, less than 20% are going to get addicted to something like alcohol. Alcohol is not ALWAYS bad. I was told in my drug class that people always say they can control it but they can't. Funny thing is, on another page, suspiciously some distance away, it told me that only a small portion of users become heavily addicted. While I agree that drugs trick our mind and can penetrate its defenses with ease, I also think that the anti-drug campaign is overdone and we're missing a lot of things in our pursuit of a drug free world. In fact, I don't think we'll ever have a drug-free world. People, in the heat of their work, have a clouded mind.

Also we know that when people are dependent on a system, or can't escape it, or feel a lack of control in their life, or feel a threat, they tend to support and defend the institution or system. This can EASILY apply to healthcare or psychiatric professionals. They depend on their field for an income. This brings into question, based on a recent study, whether or not they can be relied on to objectively speak on behalf of THEIR OWN institution.

I am referring to this:
www.psychologicalscience.o rg/index.php ...

I know professionals of this sort mean well. But if you could be me for a day and understand how I feel about my sisters and the many thoughts I've had, you would understand why I am skeptical. Why I don't trust very many people. Why I am not so willing to pop a pill to make all the dirt go away. Why I feel in my gut that we're missing things and trying to justify ourselves.

Why do so many women experience depression? Why is it ok to have depression if it does not impact your performance, but not ok if it does? How can you, in all your wisdom, not see how bad feelings will ALWAYS impact performance? There's no such thing as having bad feelings not also having their consequences. Because some people seem to have these bad feelings for longer periods of times attracts our attention and makes us want to fix them. I completely understand that part of it. But what I don't get is how bad feelings are only bad if they impact your performance in life. In my view, all bad feelings impact our performance in life whether they're small or big or prolonged or whatever hte hell the circumstance is.

I've also read that among the unemployed, bouts of depression are common. All of this, and more (that I'm not mentioning here) suggests to me that there're a variety of factors in how depression comes about. It's not just some error that we can quickly fix. But that's what we want. We want the kind of fix that's stop and go. Our #%^!@! society is stop and go.

Maybe it's our society that needs to be medicated or fixed? Maybe that's why some people don't respond to medications? And even if people do, so what? The human brain is one of the most complex thigns on earth. And you're toying with it liek a fool. Do you understand why I am skeptical? I haven't been brainwashed yet by the tools in academia. I've seen more than enough people in my life to know that some people are fools and blindly suck up whatever is there like it's candy. I refuse to do that. For better or worse, I like to proof check and second guess.

I know i've screwed up my own life. My sisters, however, won't admit it. That's why they're on drugs. They would rather blame somethings else. I also think there's far more going on than just bad choices and circumstances. I think it's a combination of ALL of this. Some people have messed up brains. It's true. But our choices and circumstacme outside our control ALSO factor into it. But it's not convenient for psychiatry to fix all of that because they can't. It's out of their control. But giving you a bit of therapy and drugging you IS possible. That's why they do it.

DO NOT ignore the people who receive the drug. They play as much part in it as the "medicator". People wnat quick answers to their emotional and life problems. Drugging themselves is easy. So it's not just the psychiatric INDUSTRY wanting money, it's people wanting easyt answers.

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