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posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 10:32 AM
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Anyway, congrats on achieving voting age!

Also there is an old saying....If you are under 20, and are a conservative, you have no heart. If you are over 40 and are still a liberal, you have no brain.

I believe this little gem was quoted by Winston Churchill. Wonder if he thought age was a factor?



posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 10:35 AM
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Actually it does not matter. BOTH parties are in the pockets of the bankers and the corporate elite. Not only that the really nasty freedom shredding legislation will be passed during the lame dog session after elections.



The government-industry revolving door puts industry-friendly experts in positions of decision-making power. Often individuals rotate between working for industry and working for the government in regulatory capacities, arrangements that are fraught with potential for conflicts of interest. Source Watch

The Democrats are just as guilty.

Clinton's Senior Foreign Policy Adviser was the CEO of Monsanto, Robert Shapiro, and the Senior Trade Delegate who wrote the World Trade Organization's Agreement on Ag was the VP of Cargill, Dan Amstrutz. Is it any wonder that we are now stuck with food poisoning from HACCP regs and the WTO dictating our food safety policies? as one Congressman quipped some time ago: "Who needs Al-Qaeda when you have got E. coli?" READ John Munsell's comment to Bill Marler John is very knowledgable on the subject of HACCP and Food Safety HACCP turns food safety over to the big corporations and relegates the government to auditing the paper trail and NOT testing for pathogens.



Taylor has spun through the revolving door four times, including a stint as the top lobbyist for agri-chemical giant Monsanto. Taylor’s big food-safety regulation under Clinton was his creation of the “Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points” [HACCP] regulations on food-processing plants. This regulation, in the words of an academic study, “favors large plants over small ones,” because it costs small producers four or five times as much per pound as it costs large producers. Source


Obama is just as bad as Clinton. Actually he is worse.



In other words, implementation of the massive healthcare bill just enacted by the Congress will be overseen by a former high-level executive of the nation's largest private health insurer. As Marcy Wheeler writes: "It’s a nice trick: send your VP to write a law mandating that the middle class buy #ty products like yours, then watch that VP move into the executive branch to 'oversee' the implementation of the law." www.salon.com...


Despite the fact that opposition to NAIS (National Animal ID) was one of the top ten finalists at Change.ORG AND 97% of the farmers and consumers opposed NAIS in the over 5000 comments to the Federal Registar at the USDA meetings we are still getting a form of the WTO "Animal Tracability" crammed down our throats. At the newest "listenning sections" the USDA has resorted to Armed Guards to protect them from the farmers "they serve". (cough cough)




Wendell Berry gave a rousing speech declaring that this was the first meeting he'd been at with USDA, after decades of activism, where USDA brought armed police to protect itself. Ralph Packard, a natural livestock farmer, agreed with Wendell Berry, that the government will need its guns if they make the program mandatory and require people to register their farms and animals.
farmandranchfreedom.org...


On the financial front it is the Democrats that gave us the Federal Reserve Act. It was under President Clinton we had the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act put in place to prevent a repeat of the 1929 crash. "..the banking, brokerage and insurance industries spent $350 million on political contributions and lobbying..." for that repeal and to set the stage for the next economic crash.

The Federal Reserve and Fractional Reserve practices transfer wealth from the poor to the rich in three different ways. I detail them here.

OBAMA is very guilty of the wealth transfer game. While he SAYS he is helping the poor he is actually helping the rich to your wealth. The doubling of the money supply in 2009 was a massive wealth transfer and Obama mortgage plan is even worse.

Obama mortgage plan is specifically designed to push homeowners who are hurting financially and want to refinance into foreclosure. That is what AIG, the bailout, and the Obama mortgage plan is really all about. If the bank can force you into foreclose the US government pays the bank with bailout money AND the bank gets the house too. The AIG CDS contracts are a side bet and do not pay off the mortgage for you. Your mortgage could have multiple CDS contracts so the banks do not want you to keep your home.

CDS contracts are where the bank is gambling that you will default. If you do they get paid.

I just went through an Obama caused mortgage default. The bank strung me along for fourteen months and then said NO! It cost me $19,000 to get out of the resulting default. $5364.52 was for attorneys fees. I even had to pay the banks attorney who spent six months refusing to give my attorney a firm amount so we could pay the arrears caused by the Obama's modification plan. Believe me the banks will do everything in their power to make sure they can foreclose to collect on those CDS contracts. Obama's plan is the bait in the trap to lure unsuspecting homeowners into a default with no way out for those financailly strapped.

If you are in the situation, make sure you get a GOOD lawyer. Many lawyers will take your money and do nothing.

Again I detail all that info here.



posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 10:39 AM
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I agree, I can't see how after 8 years of Bush totally destroying this country, people could actually vote republicans back into power. I still think that is the purpose of the tea party. It rebrands the republicans. I saw a bumper sticker on a car this morning on my way to work. It read, "Another Republican? Are you insane?".



posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 10:59 AM
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I am not a Liberal, that's for sure. More along the lines of a Populist, like the Democrats before '68. I guess they are called Southern Democrats or Conservative Democrats. Support Labor-Unions and workers while not pandering to special interests and minorities. I prefer keeping things rather Socially Conservative such as prayer in school, Christmas in public, oppose politically correct, support gun rights, etc...

Democrats are far too worried about enlarging government bureaucracy, catering to the very poor, pandering to minorities, supporting special interests and transforming our culture. That I don't agree with.

I supported the Public Option, I support Social Security, I support Labor Unions. But I oppose bailouts, large welfare state, overregulation and government regulating our private lives. I consider myself a Political Moderate/Populist.

Socialism is wrong because it steals from people to give to other people.
Liberalism is wrong because it supports an enlarged state pandering to special interests.
Libertarianism is wrong because it fails to recognize that the government can do some things right.
Conservatism is wrong because it believes in forcing religion on people and pandering to big business.

I've dipped my feet into each ideology, didn't like the results that I recieved.

I just prefer to remain in line with the average American when we just say we want things fixed. So you can stop calling me a Liberal now.
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posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 12:53 PM
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It is time for the LEFT and the RIGHT to quit the infighting and see they are being pitted against each other while the wealthy steal them blind!




I am not a Liberal, that's for sure....


I am probably about in the same place you are politically - close to dead center. We need government but I would prefer government as close to home as possible so it can be closely watched and influenced. I am Not for a Corporate/Banker controlled Massive Government in DC.

Aside from the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 we can trace a lot of the trouble back to Roosevelt. A raving wolf in sheep's clothing if ever there was one. He was very much in the pocket of Wall Street. His key act in trashing people's freedom in the USA was morphing the Commerce clause into the Federal government's weapon of choice.



Commerce clause power was not much used by Congress until the New Deal and the administration of President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR). During that administration, Roosevelt attempted to assert a lot of federal power that had not been previously asserted by the federal government. However, a number of such laws pressed through Congress were found by the U.S. Supreme Court to lack constitutional authority. For many of these pet endeavors, FDR claimed commerce clause authority.

Upon being rebuffed by the Supreme Court, Roosevelt threatened to expand the number of justices on the Court in order to be able to pack the Court with sympathizers and thereby gain court approval of his threatened New Deal programs. That created something of a standoff between Roosevelt and the Supreme Court.

It was into this politically-charged situation that the legal case of Wickard v. Filburn came to the Supreme Court.... Source





The Supreme Court ruled against Filburn saying: “If he had not fed the wheat to his livestock he would have been forced to purchase wheat for livestock feed, and that wheat would have crossed state lines, therefore he was involved in Interstate Commerce.”

Based upon these facts, if this new “DISEASE TRACEABILITY” plan goes into effect and a farmer butchers his own calf, he is in violation of the Interstate Commerce Clause. Had he not butchered his own calf, he would have been forced to go to the market and buy beef which has crossed state lines....
YOUR FOOD & THE INTERSTATE COMMERCE CLAUSE


This also means that if you grow your own veggies the US government can regulate you and that is what the Democrats, lead by Hilary Clinton, Rosa Delauro and Waxman are trying to do. It started right after the WTO and the UN wrote the "Guide to Good Farming Practices" based on the cGMP guidelines for drug manufacture. (I have written entire manuals adhering to those FDA guidelines so I recognized the beast) 12 Reasons Why The Food Safety Bill From Hell Could Be Very Dangerous For The U.S. Economy

Back to Roosevelt.
In 1933, Congressman McFadden, a former banker, introduced House Resolution No. 158, Articles of Impeachment for the Secretary of the Treasury, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, and the officers and directors of its regional banks. Subsequently he was shot at twice, poisoned and had his stomach pumped. He reportedly “died of the stomach flue” on Oct. 3, 1936.

Here is part of McFadden's speech



"Mr. Chairman, the United States is bankrupt: It has been bankrupted by the corrupt and dishonest Fed. It has repudiated its debts to its own citizens. Its chief foreign creditor is Great Britain, and a British bailiff has been at the White House and the British Agents are in the United States Treasury making inventory arranging terms of liquidations!...Mr. Chairman, the Fed has offered to collect the British claims in full from the American public by trickery and corruption....“The Fed Note is essentially unsound. It is the worst currency and the most dangerous that this Country has ever known... They should not have made the Government [liable on the private] debts of individuals and corporations, and, least of all, on the private debts of foreigners....The Prime Minister of England came here for money! He came here to collect cash! He came here with Fed Currency and other claims against the Fed which England had bought up in all parts of the world. And he has presented them for redemption in gold.”



So what happened?
Within 34 hours of becoming President, Mr. Roosevelt closed the doors on every bank and then confiscated private citizens' gold to pay the debts of the Federal Reserve. He signed the Emergency Banking Relief Act of 1933 on March 9, 1933. He then used the Act to confiscate US citizens' gold through an executive order on April 5th 1933.

Executive Order 6102:  "Section 2. All persons are hereby required to deliver on or before May 1, 1933, to a Federal Reserve Bank or a branch or agency thereof or to any member bank of the Federal Reserve System all gold coin, gold bullion and gold certificates now owned by them or coming into their ownership on or before April 28, 1933"

And off the Bank of England (the Rothchild) trotted with gold confiscated from US citizens.....

Was McFadden right about the Fed? Milton Friedman, winner of a Nobel Prize in economics thought so. "The Federal Reserve definitely caused the Great Depression by contracting the amount of currency in circulation by one-third from 1929 to 1933"


I really wish people would read what Kissinger said: Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world.

If you bother to look you can see the gradual implementation of the control of the food supply and of money. If you dig deep you will also find big oil/banking is behind "Global Warming" as an excuse to control energy.

Checkout Ged Davis and Shell Oil, Big Oil Mogul Maurice Strong and the First Earth Summit and of course the Rockefellers. HRH Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands is the Founding President of the World Wildlife Federation WWF, a contributor to the IPCC Report His family wealth is tied up in Shell oil stock and the family reportedly owned as much as 25% of Shell. Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands – a long term major shareholder in Royal Dutch Shell

Copenhagen talks fell apart after the leak of the " so-called Danish text, a secret draft agreement worked on by a group of individuals known as "the circle of commitment" – but understood to include the UK, US and Denmark – has only been shown to a handful of countries since it was finalised this week.

The agreement, leaked to the Guardian, is a departure from the Kyoto protocol's principle that rich nations, which have emitted the bulk of the CO2, should take on firm and binding commitments to reduce greenhouse gases, while poorer nations were not compelled to act. The draft hands effective control of climate change finance to the World Bank..."
Guardian



posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 01:08 PM
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While I don't agree with everything Roosevelt did, I do agree with the New Deal very strongly. I mean it has now become too large and bureaucratic, it should be limited back to its original intention of helping workers and the vulnerable. The welfare state has grown too large and so has the regulations placed on people. This comes from both Corporations and the Government.

We should reduce the constant lawsuits and welfare recipients. At the same time we should create a Public Option. Everything created after LBJ should be abolished, every new Department after that time should be removed. We should deregulate everything that honestly hurts jobs and doesn't protect people, we should try and bring community back together and retake our culture.

We are a melting pot but we should only have one culture, Liberals are trying to make us a melting pot and keep our cultures separate(this doesn't work, it leads to resentment and clashes). I truly believe our greatest president was John F. Kennedy followed by Dwight D. Eisenhower.

True American sense of Patriotism and Community is gone, destroyed by those who wish to radically alter our culture and enlarge government beyond just helping the workers and reducing poverty. That is why I identify closest with Conservative Democrats "Latter-day New Dealers".

"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country " ~ JFK



posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 06:24 PM
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posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Woo! Go Team!

Party politics just give stupid people something to feel smart about. Get past it already.


 
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Umm, the thread appears to be an analysis of the potential outcome of the upcoming elections. So I fail to see how your comment is actually applicable. I mean I get that people think opting out and being cynical is the best way to pretend to be informed and 'in the know'. I just don't agree.

IS the false dichotomy of R/D basically a charade? sure. That's not exactly headline news. But, last I checked, the two parties both control our political reality. And taking the time to note this hardly means one is 'choosing a side'.

Are you under the impression that ignoring them will make then go away? Are you under the impression that not reading the OP and just assuming it's about choosing one side over the other makes you seem relevant?


Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
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With at least 4 other posters clearly making party preferential posts why assume I am speaking directly to you?

did I accidentally hit "reply to Misoir"? Could have, mobile is funny.

Otherwise a certain Carly Simon song comes to mind... lol


 
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Oh, right, you were just replying randomly in the thread. Maybe next time you could respond to the op in some way? ITs more constructive and helpful than trolling.
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posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
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posted on Oct, 12 2010 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
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Socialism is wrong because it steals from people to give to other people.
Liberalism is wrong because it supports an enlarged state pandering to special interests.
Libertarianism is wrong because it fails to recognize that the government can do some things right.
Conservatism is wrong because it believes in forcing religion on people and pandering to big business.



Sounds like me BTW

I am not sure how the election will go



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