Video of Kim Sun-Il... Also a HOAX!

HONESTLY. IS EVERYTHING a conspiracy? Really, is it? Around here it is. True, given it is a conspiracy site, but EVEN this? How THICK headed are you? Can't you see that this man was brutally murdered? Like it was stated, tell his family that it was a hoax! I bet they would all tell you the same thing "f*ck yourself" - Sorry for the expletives, I am appalled at this (to mods and admins, etc.)

Honestly people? Is everything a hoax? Is everything the "evil U.S.A.'s" doing? Really? Is that what you truly believe? That the U.S. controls everything and everyone in the world? Gimme a break.

These men - these civilian - men, died, MURDERED by a group of people, for some reason of another, feel that they must do this. Why? Who knows. But they feel they need to commit horrible acts of violence. Anyone who can "justify" their motives and actions make me horribly ill. These are people full of HATRED, DEATH, and MURDER. How can you justify that? You hypocrites. You damn hypocrites. Some people on here act as though they are "humanists", and then turn around and justify the terrorists' actions? Give me a break.

These are people that are raised and taught to hate. Brought up around violence, murder, and where to get something, you must kill something. Please. Instead of justifying, why don't you feel bad? Or perhaps you are just as corrupt in heart as they? GIVE ME A BREAK.

These are people who kill. And they say they are fighting "honorable". Really? Are they? NO. These are people who say "this is the only way." Is it? NO, IT ISN'T!

You could try talking to the other countries, instead of brutally murdering civilians. Honestly, this is not a hoax. How can you say it is a hoax? Because of what some doctor says? Hmph. OK, go ahead and believe. Oh, and believe that this is all the CIA's doing, too right? Sure. Get over it, the U.S. DOES NOT control everything in the world! WE ARE A COUNTRY. NOT THE NWO. GET OVER IT.

For all you people who can "justify" or "support" these groups' actions - honestly - go to hell.


-wD

Me too, webdevil.

I've stated what this does to me so many times I need not repeat it. But it's just sick, that's all.

It's sad. To some people everything is a conspiracy. And perhaps it is true, but this? NO. You are right, it is sick, just plain, downright sick.

-wD

:EDIT: OK, after watching the video for a 5th time, and researching into it, this is what I have come to believe.

::THE VIDEO IS NOT A HOAX::

That man was slain by Islamic extremists, who believe that they must kill, instead of make peace. Now, What I found interesting is that the neck did not spit blood, as it should, which was already stated. Also, he WAS unusually calm for about to be executed. HOWEVER, there may be a reason for this.

1) They were speaking a language he DID NOT understand. Now, he WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN what they were saying, so he would not have known he was about to be executed. Also, as the execution began, HE DID START SCREAMING AND YELLING.

So, your statement that it is a hoax because he was too calm is invalid.

However, the fact that the neck did not spit blood is still undecided. That is still valid.

In any case, hoax or no hoax, Let Us All Ask That God Bless Him.

R.I.P. - A New Angel of God.

-wD

[edit on 25-6-2004 by WeBDeviL]

I have to agree with you, there is no conspiracy here. This was done by exactly who we think it was done by, the terrorists. I have not seen one shred of real evidence to support otherwise. I'm so tired of hearing about the ring one of them suposedly wore too. Islam is against strip clubs too, but that didn't stop the hijackers from going to strip clubs. Also, can anyone actually prove the whole CIA terror attacks to incite a war with Cuba? I swear people can make anything up on the internet and someone will claim they are facts. Why can't anyone just believe that the terrorists are doing these beheadings to terrorize the western world. The reason why Kim was speaking english was so that WE could understand what he was saying, thus adding to our terror. Just my thoughts.

[edit on 25-6-2004 by USAFSF]

I do not think the beheading of this korean person was a hoax. I believe that he was beheaded. As for the motives and who was behind it.

I will still say that the beheading was fully supported by the world's most advanced terrorists, the CIA and Mossad partnership. If you think the CIA is a goody American boys club that is an American first, then you are only seeing the public relations part of the Organization. This group is, yes, serving American interests in the most gruesome way that most Americans can't think of. Most importantly they are serving the elite interests of the United States Government. They have trained the terrorist themselves on American soil, that is a fact when the Soviet Union was invading Afghanistan. How can I be sure that such an organization as Al-Qaeda exists, especially when it is run like a legitimate world wide network, as portrayed by the media? Sure, show a few Arabs and you have Al-Qaeda on CNN. More likely, Al-Qaeda is nickname for the CIA.

I believe in this case of the beheading, that the CIA and Mossad have hired, trained, and paid Arab people to be mercenaries. If the so called Al-Qaeda terror network was smart, they would not be doing these, as they would know such actions would only cause more conflict among themselves from the America's Military.

When the Muslim Extremists who are not connected to CIA operatives want to terrorize, usually it's just some small car bomb, or a suicide bomber. When you have large scale attacks like the 9/11 and Madrid bombings, you can bet CIA is involved, especially when the United States Government has something to gain from the terror strikes.

Anyway, it's a sad state in terms of what the United States Government is doing. But, the real Government is not the one that serves the people, but the elite interests.

This is just my opinion up to this point in time and I am entitled to my free speech.

Originally posted by WeBDeviL
1) They were speaking a language he DID NOT understand. Now, he WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN what they were saying, so he would not have known he was about to be executed. Also, as the execution began, HE DID START SCREAMING AND YELLING.

It's my understanding WebDevil, that he did speak Arabic, as well as english, and obviously Korean. Hence the reason why he was there in the first place. But whether he spoke Arabic or not, you can tell alot about what a person is saying by the tone. And just moments before, as evidenced by the counter, he was wailing.

Originally posted by IMMORTAL
If you think the CIA is a goody American boys club that is an American first, then you are only seeing the public relations part of the Organization.

Cool, thanks for letting me know. I'll tell the ones I know that even before they started working for the CIA that there life was just for public relations.

This group is, yes, serving American interests in the most gruesome way that most Americans can't think of. Most importantly they are serving the elite interests of the United States Government.

The CIA does this, the CIA does that....
How do you know?
Huh? What's that?
You don't know?
Oh, yeah that's what I thought.
Serving American intrests? So the CIA spends years and tons of cash to train terrorist to kill us, so we can get mad and kill them. For no reason. This would mean either the CIA is extremely bored or you just simply don't know what you're talking about. When you don't produce one piece of credible evidence to back your claims up, why should I or anyone believe you? Why should I take your word for it?

If what all you say is true however, this would also mean the CIA and US government have God-like foresight, and in order to pull all that off we have the most stealthiest group of people ever known to man.





Try again buddy. Be realistic this time.

kozmo:
I'm not quite sure what to believe. I too have a colleague in the medical field, surgery. He has seen several trauma victims rushed into the ER, as you can imagine. I got him to watch the videos (Berg & Kim), and he agrees, something is definitely wrong.
There should be A LOT more blood. I didn't have the heart to turn on the volume for either of the videos. They both really just pissed me off.

kozmo
You're right, there is ALWAYS an alternate explanattion for everything, but to believe that every explanation deserves consideration is foolish. Sometimes you just have to apply Occams Razor.

Forget about the gold ring. In the Berg beheading there was talk of a silk shirt. Ask yourself this: if a terrorist could ensure victory in his mission by adopting gold rings or silk shirts, don't you think he would? Think about what was mentioned about stripclubs - it is true. Reconcile that with your version of terrorist reality, if you can. Remember, these fanatics subvert the very words of the Quran they purport to follow, whenever it suits their purpose.

The orange jumpsuits are there to remind the west that one "reason" for these beheadings are retaliation for Abu Ghraib. Once again, garbage BS, but another example of them subverting the truth to suit themselves.

The plastic chairs are commonplace around the globe. No procurement request from Abu Ghraib Logistics were necessary to get them.

As for the lack of blood, I don't believe there was any compassion involved. Most likely the men were killed beforehand, because the fight they would have put up would have been un-film-able, from several perpespectives. I have to take the word of those who saw the actual beheadings; I would not view them.

And Iwould like to echo the request for facts from the poster who is convinced that the CIA and Mosssad are behind this: facts, please, not just sensationalist rhetoric that makes for a poor spy vs spy paperback.

:shk:

Originally posted by WeBDeviL
1) They were speaking a language he DID NOT understand. Now, he WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN what they were saying, so he would not have known he was about to be executed. Also, as the execution began, HE DID START SCREAMING AND YELLING.

I haven't actually watched the video, but I would like to make two points. First point is that Kim was an Arabic translator. He knew what they were saying. Second point is that given the amount of editing (reported) in these videos, someone could have "pasted" in the screaming. If they were to burn or cut or even scare him ahead of time, they could have recorded a very convincing scream and added it in post-production. I'm not saying they did, I'm just adding they could have. I do remember that Nick Berg screamed, and it didn't sound quite like it should.

If someone's throat is cut, they will "gurgle" when their windpipe is cut, but like I said, I haven't watched this yet, so I don't know if he gurgled or not.

Just some points to ponder. I haven't finished reading this thread yet, so I'm sorry if there is any duplication of ideas.

Originally posted by WeBDeviL

1) They were speaking a language he DID NOT understand. Now, he WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN what they were saying, so he would not have known he was about to be executed. Also, as the execution began, HE DID START SCREAMING AND YELLING.

Dear WebDevil,

Kim Sun-Il was an ARABIC TRANSLATOR who spoke FLUENT ARABIC and worked for a South Korean company supplying food to US Forces. This is ALL OVER THE INTERNET.

Select some keywords and type them into GOOGLE. After doing this a couple of times you might actually start to do it out of HABIT before you RUSH into a THREAD.

[edit on 26-6-2004 by cargo]

Originally posted by IMMORTAL
Here is what I believe at this point in time. Al-Qaeda is nothing but a CIA and Mossad Operation. A patsy group for the actions of the CIA and Mossad. Also

Then why in the world would they blow up a commuter train in Spain? What could possibly be gained from that?

Originally posted by WeBDeviL
Also, as the execution began, HE DID START SCREAMING AND YELLING.

Webdevil - at the beginning of the beheading you hear 'someone' screaming and yelling. Watch Kim's body movements, & knowing that he understood exactly what was being said and was presumably aware of what happened to Berg, do you not think this mans legs would have at least twitched or kicked out even a little after his hair was grabbed & he felt the knife on him? He is most obviously already dead at this point so why then are we being made to think he is alive & capable of screaming? just my observation.

Yeah, upon watching the video, either hes already dead, or drugged. Who reading this wouldnt be fighting as hard as they could in that situation? I know I would be biting some legs at least. He didnt even move, and someone else couldve been screaming for effect. But I personally wouldnt go as far as to say our government is behind it. Why would they pick a South Korean? The last thing they want is another country to back out of helping us, like when the Madrid bombings lost Spain as an ally. I think the terrorists probably drugged the beheadees so they could appear to be in complete control. They couldnt preach their fundamentalist BS with somebody screaming and kicking, and it would ruin the video for them if someone bit a chunk out of someones forearm or kicked some balls or fought back, it would make them look less powerful. Maybe thats why they didnt release a video of Johnson's beheading, maybe he fought back so they just released photos. They want their videos to show them in complete control and to dipict us as weak and submissive. Just my opinion.

[edit on 26-6-2004 by jd27]

I don't know how anybody who watched that video could believe that bs was real...
I'm no expert but someone who's scared out of there minds, staring death in the face, will involuntarely shake, have difficulty breathing, will be unable to keep still, as we witness in the first part of the vid...
The only way Kim Sun could have remained so still after the edit (he looks like a still shot superinposed over the background he's so still) is he was given a very strong seditive or he was already dead. He doesn't
even struggle when he's grabed, c'mon the guy was sobbing and pleading for his life, what happened, did he suddenly gain super powers of self control...It's freakin laughable.
Someone mentioned the screaming when the deed took place but it's impossible to tell that is coming from Kim Sun, easy to overdub that on the video...And why does a perfectly still camera suddenly go all out of focus and move around when the act takes place...
Holywood 101: use an artistic method to portray an event that cannot be acted out convincingly enough to be believable...
You don't even need to debate gold rings and whatever, just looking at the vid convinced me the victims(all 3) were already dead.
This is nothing more than propaganda to justify the "war" on "terorism".
it makes no sence that the "terrorists" would kill them before beheading but if it was done by for hire private soldiers it would.
Think about it, the guys in the vid are no more than hired actors who prob did not even take part in the act of killing the victims prior to the vid shoot, all the executioner had to do was cut the head off of an already dead body, who prob for all the money in the world would not have done it "for real".
Explains how our own government could do such a horifying act I think.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Why should I take your word for it?

I'm not asking that you take my word for it. I hope to present to you another version of reality to what they spoon-feed the public on the mainstream networks.

For example, from the following website: Berg Beheading a Bush Psy-Op:

It's the classic "CIA, Black Op" it appears that The CIA arranged for some of their Iraqi musclemen (most likely Ahmed Chalabi) to cut off the head of what appears to be an American intelligence agent cutout for a staged atrocity, "made to order."

Click Here For Link

Doubts about the Berg Execution, From the following website:

The general public hasn't yet caught on to this but whenever al Qaeda strikes it does so for the benefit of the neoconservatives in Washington and Ariel Sharon's government in Israel. Either it is the most inept terrorist organization in world history or it is a CIA/Mossad proxy.

Click Here For Source

Here are some links on the Madrid Bombings, as presented with a different slant to CNN-type news:

Link

How the Madrid bombings are connected to Bush and the Israeli Lobby:

Link

This information is for those who wish to read outside the mainstream "official" sources.

Just a request for assistance... The team doing reverse speech analysis on these videos see story are extremely interested in finding the FIRST Kim video, in which the "demands" were made.

Any help in this area would be greatly appreciated.

Originally posted by kozmo
Do you think it's the terrorists doing this or someone else? I'm still finding it difficult to believe that the terrorist are perpetrating these acts.

Why is it difficult to believe that terrorists are doing this? Do a search on beheadings in the middle east, it is not something new for islamic extremists and other terrorists to do this.

Is it possible that the terrorists have killed their hostages before the behading, it could be, or they could have been drugged. Cutting the head off someone who is alive and kicking is probably not easy, lots of things could go wrong. Don't you think terrorists would want to make sure that the beheadings go smooth and quick, and they are not seen as incompetent?

One thing about radical Islam is that they want others to be subjugated by them. When a radical Muslim mother or father chops off the clitoris from their daughter, they do it when she is about 5 years old, so she is easily subjugated, and at this age most children remember their experiences even when they are adults. The same could be said for these beheadings. Perhaps the hostages are drugged, or dead already. It would simply look as if the terrorists are in control this way.

(I really hate having to spell this out so graphically....)

[edit on 27-6-2004 by Muaddib]

The Madrid bombings are now also connected to Bush?.......i am sorry, but this is getting really ridiculous.... Even the socialist party in Spain say it was terrorists....oh yeah, lets believe better some John Doe who comes out with another wild conspiracy, its a lot better than believing there are terrorists out there, it must be our governments, terrorists cannot hate us so much....they just can't....

That mentality will lead you nowhere. Terrorism and radical Islam is not something new or made up this century.

Originally posted by Muaddib
The Madrid bombings are now also connected to Bush?.......i am sorry, but this is getting really ridiculous.... Even the socialist party in Spain say it was terrorists....oh yeah, lets believe better some John Doe who comes out with another wild conspiracy, its a lot better than believing there are terrorists out there, it must be our governments, terrorists cannot hate us so much....they just can't....

That mentality will lead you nowhere. Terrorism and radical Islam is not something new or made up this century.

Nobody said anything was attributed to Bush. Were you not paying attention? This is attribuatable to the Mossad and the CIA, not Bush. There is a sub government within the US, it is the CIA. There is a world government and it's not the UN. The Madrid bombing... a failed psyops. It had unintended consequences. I am beginning to think that this is nothing more than a ploy to wage war against all things Muslim... to get to the oil.