I just saw Fahrenheit 9/11...., page 4
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reply posted on 25-6-2004 @ 11:58 PM by Banshee
STOP.

Warnings come next.
Both of you, cut it out NOW.



reply posted on 26-6-2004 @ 12:13 AM by FreeMason
Originally posted by ATSluvDroid
I love how so many of you people are bashing this film before having ever seen it, and in the same breath flame and insult me, someone who actually saw the film and wanted to share my review.


Your review is fine, I don't know of any others who have insulted you but the way you snap at me I can see why they do.

Originally posted by ATSluvDroidIt's sad to see so many of you "plants" here trying to sway the public against something that everyone in the country is going to see regardless.


True, word-of-mouth will mean a lot more will see it than normal movies.

Originally posted by ATSluvDroidI was never very familiar with Moore until this film. I knew he existed but never had much interest in his previous works. I saw this movie with no preconceptions about Moore or the movie aside from it being about Bush, the War and 9/11.


Well if you're not familiar with Michael Moore, no wonder you think he made a "great doccumentary".

Let me just say a few things about him.

He blamed K-mart and Charleton Heston for Columbine.

I think that says enough. You can't say you went in with a blank slate, that is unfair to yourself, you need to understand the man telling you things, or you won't understand what type of slant he has. It was people's lack of knowledge of Hitler's mental immaturity and his hatred for the Slavs that led them to believe he would be a GOOD leader. When in reality all he wanted was a war, a war to destroy the Slavs and eradicate them all.

Understanding that you understand the filth he wrote was just propoganda and biased garbage.

Originally posted by ATSluvDroidThis film is a masterpiece, regardless of what way you regard it. If Moore is on a mission to sway the public against our "fearless leader" then guess what, hes doing it and in the coming months when discussions on the film sky rocket, all of you "plants" will have your work cut out for you.


I think it is far from a masterpiece. Paradice Lost, was a masterpiece. Moore's film is just the expression of free speech, little more than that. The fact you call Bush a "fearless leader" is an example of YOUR characteristics and where YOU are coming from. And it is a world of ignorance...or innocence, both go hand in hand usually.

Fact is the WTC are gone, you should think about that.

Originally posted by ATSluvDroidI feel pity for those of you who claim to deny ignorance, yet cast a scolding blind eye to that which you have yet to experience as you clammer to show your detest in sync as though your actually trying to chop down a monster.


You seem to think no one has seen anything yet.

There is more than just seeing, he did write F9/11 first you realize, and there are plenty of arguments within the film.

Seeing is actually an act of emotion so is the last thing someone who wants to analyze something truly wants to do.

Why would someone want to see implications? Like "Who killed our soldiers" then cut-scene to Bush. Sure he didn't say it, but he made you FEEL it was Bush's fault.

If you study the matter you realize it isn't.

As Shakespeare said (another famous for many masterpieces):

Henry V: Act 4, Scene I

"So, if a son that is by his father sent about
merchandise do sinfully miscarry upon the sea, the
imputation of his wickedness by your rule, should be
imposed upon his father that sent him: or if a
servant, under his master's command transporting a
sum of money, be assailed by robbers and die in
many irreconciled iniquities, you may call the
business of the master the author of the servant's
damnation: but this is not so: the king is not
bound to answer the particular endings of his
soldiers, the father of his son, nor the master of
his servant; for they purpose not their death, when
they purpose their services."

I think you should read that and memorize it.

Why?

Because it teaches you how to properly place responsibility.

Something Moore knows nothing about.

Moore blames K-Mart for Columbine, Moore blames Bush for 9/11.

Columbine was the fault of two insane children, 9/11, the fault of Ossama Bin Laden.

Originally posted by ATSluvDroidLet me tell you something, the facts in this movie are non debabtable. Go see the damn movie before allowing the sludge built up within your systems to begin spewing out in any direction. To do this in the same breath as explaining your denial of ignorance is as slap in the face to real people with a genuine interest in the issues.


They are quite debateable, mention one "fact" to me and I'll rip it to shreds for you.

Originally posted by ATSluvDroidI'm willing to bet the haters on these forums are mostly republicans...


I'm not a republican, I'm an anti-federalist, I hate nothing more than the "Federal Government" and its usurpation of power from the States.

But I know that the Democrats are far worse than Republicans, the Democrats are centralists, the Republicans are not.

I also know that the Democrats are internationalists and the Republicans are willing to preserve the life-style that is unique to Americans. And not allow it to be destroyed by foriegners.

Originally posted by ATSluvDroidAnd finally, no, I'm not some kid, nor am I related to Michael Moore in any way. But keep trying to take your pot shots at me.

Michael Moore has done well in proving his contentions and as such is now doing very well because of it If you want to sput off at the mouth as you contest his claims, do so as he has, with facts. Otherwise, swallow that sludge that keeps popping up in your throats, shut up and smile.



I do take my pot-shots at you.

I take my shots at you on this forum, mister 16,000ths.

I take my shots at your education.

Again, I would love to see your miraculous and wonderous and magical 2 hours of "revelation" be pitted against my 4 years of experience.

Make that 14 years, I've been doing this (studying politics and history) since at least middle school. I knew more history than my history teachers in High School, it was quite sad.

But anyways, I don't think our "epic" battle of witts will turn out like David and Goliath.


reply posted on 26-6-2004 @ 12:24 AM by Scat
Well....everyones panties seem to be in quit a bundle!

FreeMason- LOVED the Shakespearean quote! I just noted something aboout shakespeare in another moore forum. nice touch friend!

Lets face it-Moore:great leader. Just like Hitler. Just like Ceasar. Im not praising him for his intellignece, Im being factual. If he can gain THIS MUCH SUPPORT, he must be doing something right, whether its good or not. Personally, I find him far too extreme. I prefer....Bradbury, which, MIGHT I ADD, Moore took the name of the film from (dag you michael!!). I see this as an insult to literature, but thats just me.

But the problem is,..this is a "F9/11 Dusicussion" forum right? it seems like everybodys just talking about MICHAEL freggin MOORE! Screw the man, I dont know him, I never will, maybe Ill meet him in a later life and we'll talk over tea and crumpets, but God knows none of us have much business with him now. So why are we talking about HIM when we are supposed to be talking about the MOVIE? When specific people get involved, everybody starts getting angry.For example, we could all have a very civilized debate about...oh...I dunno.....Nightmare Before Christmas, but if anyone says what a genius or moron Tim Burton is, everybody gets pissed! WHy is that eh?


So why are we talking about HIM when we are supposed to be talking about the MOVIE?


Yes, I know I said that, and yes, I know I'm talking about him too....but you know....I had to say it to be able to say not to say it...right? Im hypocritical...yes...but at least I realize it and will stop doing it rightttttt....NOW!


reply posted on 26-6-2004 @ 12:34 AM by FreeMason
The reason for everyone else to know, why I brought up Shakespeare is the same reason why we have to talk about Michael Moore. Which is the same reason you have to talk about Hitler if you want to talk about WW2.

Michael Moore's character, doesn't allow him to blame the people who are responsible, he is born in an age of "hippies" where the people to blame is everyone that puts forth the temptation.

"Oh it wasn't the druggies fault, it was the damn government for not getting rid of drugs."

"Oh it wasn't the kid's fault killing everyone in the school, it was K-Mart's for selling bullets, and people who sell guns."

"Oh it wasn't Ossama Bin Laden's fault for destroying the WTC...it was Bush's because he wants to take over the Middle East in some giant blood-bath."

Shakespeare wrote an argument against such morons 500 years ago, probably expecting his play to be seen by such morons and hopefully sway them to realize they are morons.

In the bible, it is the sinner who is punished, not the one who puts forth the possibility of sin (Satan).

If you notice, Satan punishes himself, God does nothing to him. (This is discounting Revelations which has, in my opinion, NOTHING to do with morality or wisdom...it is almost an acid trip).

God punishes those who fall to temptation.

So shall we.

The time we punish those who powerless to stop temptation or to control a situation must end.

Michael Moore's character needs to be discussed because of that.


reply posted on 26-6-2004 @ 12:40 AM by ATSluvDroid
You think WAY too highly of yourself there mate.
You think your a God because of a degree?

I am not proud to say that I dropped out of High School in the 10th grade to help my single mother pay bills and get a head start in life. I was making an annual salary of $80,000 by the time I was 21 years of age. I'm now 26 years old, self employed and own two entertainment companies with a team of investors that support my efforts fully. Not because I'm some cocky guy who frequents discussion forums while trying to build up my ego as I copy and paste tid bits of articles found all over the web passed off as my own thoughts, rather because I know my field as you claim to know yours.

I do not claim to be God almighty when it comes to politics. I have my opinions and my beliefs.

I read the review you posted in the other thread. Garbage is the only thing I can call it. The writer of that article does nothing but take pot shots at Moore while doing nothing but posing his "opinions" on Moores work, never offering anything truly backing up his contentions. Sound familiar?

The review writer complains that Moore more or uses an array of facts molded into a fine system to comply with his overal statement...since when is this condemned? lol The writer makes mention of Moore only showing one side to his claims, leaving out "positive" issues etc.

In my opinion, we are getting enough of the "other" side in our daily doses of CNN and other major media outlets constantly filling us with what THEY want us to know and or see. Moore simply bring the other side to the public in a concise manner by which he is thus far very effective.

You don't have to like the movie, Moore himself or anyone supporting the movie, but one thing you simply can't deny with a straight face is that nothing in the film was fabrication and if the facts hurt the Bush fanbois, then it may be time to praise a new moron.

Overall, the fact is that what Moore presented is merely a snipplet of the truth. What I mean is, the Bush ties go much much deeper than mere Saudi relations but Moore made effort to maintain a specific direction in his effort without getting into conspiracy land thus leaving actual room for people to debate his stance or credability.

That's all I have to say. I'll watch you carry on for a bit now before I get bored of you and go to sleep.
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