Here are some links on what some of the Russian defectors are saying. There at least a couple of threads. one of them Phoenix started it. The thread
I started first is about the new Russian military games they have been taking up lately, again, but later i present interviews that were done to some
Russian military defectors that are living in the States now.
This is the original thread with more information where i excerpted the two links below.
" Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Ion Mihai Pacepa, former acting chief of Communist Romania’s espionage service. In 1987 he published Red
Horizons (Regnery Gateway), reprinted in 24 countries. In 1999 Mr. Pacepa authored The Black Book of the Securitate, reportedly an all time bestseller
in Romania. He is now finishing a book on the origins of current anti-Americanism.
Pacepa: Contemporary political memory seems to be conveniently afflicted with some kind of Alzheimer's disease. Not long ago, every Western
leader, starting with President Clinton, fumed against Saddam’s WMD. Now almost no one remembers that after General Hussein Kamel, Saddam’s
son-in-law, defected to Jordan in 1995, he helped us find “more than one hundred metal trunks and boxes” containing documentation “dealing with all
categories of weapons, including nuclear.” He also aided UNSCOM to fish out of the Tigris River high-grade missile components prohibited to Iraq. That
was exactly what my old Soviet-made “Sărindar” plan stated he should do in case of emergency: destroy the weapons, hide the equipment, and preserve
the documentation. No wonder Saddam hastened to lure Kamel back to Iraq, where three days later he was killed together with over 40 of his relatives
in what the Baghdad official press described as a “spontaneous administration of tribal justice.” Once that was done, Saddam slammed the door shut to
any UNSCOM inspection.
" Libya was Romania’s main client in that socialist division of labor, because of Ceausescu’s close association with Colonel Muammar Gaddafi. Moscow
kept Iraq. Andropov told me that, if our Iraq and Libyan experiment proved successful, the same strategy would be extended to Syria. Recently, Libya’s
Gaddafi admitted to having WMD, and the CIA inspectors found them. Why should we believe that the almighty Soviet Union, which had proliferated WMD
all over the world, was not able to do the same thing in Iraq? Every piece of armament Iraq had came from the former Soviet Union—from the Katyusha
launchers to the T72 tanks, BMP-1 fighting vehicles and MiG fighter planes. In the spring of 2002, just a couple of weeks after Russia took its place
at the NATO table, President Putin and his ex-KGB officers who are now running Russia concluded another $40 billion trade deal with Saddam Hussein’s
tyrannical regime in Iraq. That was not for grain or beans—Russia has to import them from elsewhere.
Here is the original link to another thread on this subject.
Here are some excerpts from those interviews.
" We know from at least three defector sources that a long range Kremlin strategy did exist. We know that this strategy employed deception on a
massive scale, and we know from two of these defectors (i.e., Jan Sejna and Anatoliy Golitsyn) that the long range plan would involve the controlled
collapse of Soviet Russia's military alliance in Eastern Europe -- the Warsaw Pact.
If this strategy is now defunct, and if the Kremlin no longer seeks victory over the West, then why haven't we seen this plan exposed at a Moscow
press conference? Why haven't our good democratic friends in Moscow declassified the old strategy? Surely, it would clarify the whole history of the
But Lenin remains unburied and the plan remains in effect.
Sadly, the West remains clueless. From the very start, America's leaders have refused to believe that a Kremlin plan existed. "One of the basic
problems of the West," wrote Sejna, "is its frequent failure to recognize the existence of any Soviet 'grand design' at all.
Two leading U.S. policy analysts, Henry Kissinger and Edward Luttwak, for example, discounted the idea of a long-range Soviet deception strategy, and
it was against this skepticism that Sejna wrote, "The Soviet Strategic Plan for the establishment of their 'Socialism' worldwide does, without
doubt, exist. ..."
"Nagorno-Karabag: A Case Study in "Perestroika"
by Dennis R. Papazian, Ph.D.
Dr. Dennis R. Papazian is a professor of Soviet history, the founder/director of the Armenian Research Center at The University of Michigan, Dearborn,
and a member of the faculty of the Center for Russian and East European Studies at The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. This paper is a preliminary
draft/study written for oral delivery at the annual conference of the AAASS in Washington, DC, Friday, October 19, 1990."
"More recently, Anatoliy Golitsyn, a Soviet defector of high status, has suggested that the Soviet Union is capable of disinformation on such a
massive scale that even the Borkenau system is no longer viable.2 In a book first published in 1984, and of necessity written before then, Golitsyn
argues that the leadership of the whole Communist bloc came to an agreement in 1958 in which it established a long range program, a master plan, which
it would realize through a large scale deception of the West, a monumental scam.
" Question from chat room: Does Russia still see the U.S. as an enemy?
Col. Stanislav Lunev: Unfortunately, the Russian government considers the United States as its main potential military adversary. The increase in
Russian intelligence activity against America is directly connected to this point of view, and this view is much more popular than it was in the
beginning of the '90s.
Question from chat room: How can Russia continue with what I consider deceptive spying and still ask the USA to support it financially?
Col. Stanislav Lunev: It's not Russia itself that is hostile to the United States. The Russian people like America and consider America an example
for their democratic reforms and creation of a free market economy. It’s the Russian government that is hostile. This is a government which actually
spends all the billions of dollars it receives from the United States on its corrupt Russian elite that have private accounts in Western banks.
The Russian government tries to explain to the Russian people that Russians are living so badly, not because of a corrupted Russian government, but
because an enemy would like to destroy Russia like it's already destroyed the former Soviet Union, destroyed Yugoslavia and would like to destroy
Mother Russia, too. "
Some of the above I have presented before. I see it as a high possibility, actually I am sure these defectors are right about what they are saying.
This is one of the reasons why i think Russia "warned the US of impending attacks" so they could wash their hands and say they warned us.
If you don't think this is true make a search on Putin's latest move against free speech in Russia and once more the anti-American, and anti-West
propaganda they are trying to feed to the Russian people.
The Russian people are not the ones doing this, it is their government.
[edit on 29-6-2004 by Muaddib]