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I just saw Fahrenheit 9/11....

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posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by FreeMason
Junior, we're not "ignoring" those facts, we just aren't paying attention to them as "relevant".

Example:

Hitler used the Roman Salute for his "Heil Hitler" Salute.

Does that mean that the Romans are explicitly connected to the Nazis?


not by itself, no, but further study of these backroom rituals and occult symbols of different secret societies finds them connected by a common thread from even further back in history. don't they teach this at freemason school?

association doesn't PROVE guilt, but it does SUGGEST it. if enough of these 'suggestions' keep pointing to the same thing, then, it should not being ignored so easily with a wave of your 'all-seeing' hand.
how about the common phoenix symbology, for example?
the eagle/snake has went it's way through the backrooms of history.
how about realising the infodam broke, freemason, and that people are not so easily swayed by the old 'power of persuasion' school tactics?
all the 'secret' symbols are becoming known to a lot more people. the mass extermination better start soon, or the whole plan's going to unravel.




posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 10:27 PM
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Here's another one, FreeMason.

www.bankindex.com...

Anyone that wants to know about the Bush/BinLaden family ties can find page after page of the info by doing a google search,..... it's there all you getta do is look.



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by FreeMason
Well true Muaddib but it is a mix, he does present facts. ........(snip).........
The main problem is the connections, Moore wants you to believe their are connections but there aren't.


i though it was CNN's job to disconnect the dots. and now it's fallen on your shoulders? what a heavy load for your charitable self.
the connections are there. obvious, too. nice try, though.

remember people, ...disinfo agents are real. they should realise they must be subtle, or at least civil, to post disinfo here at the mighty ATS.


edited to remove three or four lines of 'excessive quotes'. (although personally, i think that all the text was relevent. but, that's why i'm not a mod. only they know for sure. i really didn't think it was sucking up that much bandwidth. i do try to be conscientious about the rules and regs around here, as it really is a great place to share. well, anyway, i'm glad to help and if you ever find me GUILTY again, i'm sure you'll let me know.)

[edit on 28-6-2004 by billybob]



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by billybob
remember people, ...disinfo agents are real. they should realise they must be subtle, or at least civil, to post disinfo here at the mighty ATS.


Ok dude...whatever you say...people disagree with you and show you you are just following a moron that insults you, is getting rich off of you and you call these people disinfo agents..... yaaaa........

Hey, if we insult you like Moore did, do we stop being disinfo agents?


[edit on 28-6-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by nanna_of_6
Here's another one, FreeMason.

www.bankindex.com...

Anyone that wants to know about the Bush/BinLaden family ties can find page after page of the info by doing a google search,..... it's there all you getta do is look.



Do you understand that Bin Laden's family disowned him and wished he was dead? They have been estranged from each other for many years. So what if Bush has ties to the part of his family that despises everything he does. Bin Laden has dozens of half-brothers. What is your point? Also, just because there are pages upon pages on the internet, doesn't not make them true.



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 10:43 PM
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I'll go see it after the lines die down even though I don't agree with Mr. Moore I know that there are some truths among the political BS. He was indeed the first one that I can remember who brought up the Bin Laden family flight out of the US which I started a thread on here. I will return with comments after I see it.

Good for him if he makes millions off the movie, that's what capitolism is all about.

[edit on 28-6-2004 by outsider]



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by FreeMason
Junior, we're not "ignoring" those facts, we just aren't paying attention to them as "relevant".

Example:

Hitler used the Roman Salute for his "Heil Hitler" Salute.

Does that mean that the Romans are explicitly connected to the Nazis?





No, but Prescott Bush was connected to them and Hitler.



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by billybob
remember people, ...disinfo agents are real. they should realise they must be subtle, or at least civil, to post disinfo here at the mighty ATS.


Ok dude...whatever you say...people disagree with you and show you you are just following a moron that insults you, is getting rich off of you and you call these people disinfo agents..... yaaaa........

Hey, if we insult you like Moore did, do we stop being disinfo agents?


[edit on 28-6-2004 by Muaddib]


i'm not following a moron. the biggest moron i know that people follow is GWB. the guy can't even make a proper sentence. 'leader' indeed. he's not even a good puppet.
on september 11, when i woke up and turned on the t.v., i KNEW INSTANTLY that it was the CIA starting world war three(four). pure intuition. i just KNEW!
having it confirmed repeatedly since makes me feel all special-like. i'm resisting starting a cult due to my humble side.
i accuse people who blantantly ignore information, and instead focus on informer, as being disinfo agents. people who start twisting facts into 'opinions'. people who try and make this into a left/right issue. it's not. it's an issue of facts. like dragnet, you know. just the facts.

and speaking of facts, at least michael moore quotes his sources, unlike the people who starting killing innocent afghanies because an oil baron from saudi arabia ALLEGEDLY was responsible for an attack on US soil. at least he presents evidence, unlike the people that started killing innocent iraqis, because the leader had an ALLEDGED weapons program.
the THOUSANDS of completely innocent people limping around on one leg, or tucking in their intestines, had nothing to do with any of this. not even remotely. the taxpayers who paid for the bombs and bullets had little to do with it. the media and the gubmint are the ones responsible. and both those parties are owned by big business, which is owned by a few guys.
so, in other words, .......whatever, buddy.



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 11:12 PM
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I hope....ATSluvDroid is not old enough to vote!

To see a MOTION PICTURE and have it affect your attitude so greatly shows you had no attitude to begin with.

I will never understand how some people believe everything they see just because it is on film.



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by billybob
remember people, ...disinfo agents are real. they should realise they must be subtle, or at least civil, to post disinfo here at the mighty ATS.


Ok dude...whatever you say...people disagree with you and show you you are just following a moron that insults you, is getting rich off of you and you call these people disinfo agents..... yaaaa........

Hey, if we insult you like Moore did, do we stop being disinfo agents?


[edit on 28-6-2004 by Muaddib]




No actually I'd say, the one's that choose to close their eyes to what the MORON in the White House has been doing, and his "friends have been doing,getting rich off of Iraq and us, without contributing their family-members to serve in Iraq (Bush&CO) and to die for the oil they want so badly from the Iraqi people,..... I'd say anyone who tries to discount Moore's "facts" is only doing it to help Bush lie to the people of the USA because they know that Bush will LOSE this election,



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by nanna_of_6
I'd say anyone who tries to discount Moore's "facts" is only doing it to help Bush lie to the people of the USA because they know that Bush will LOSE this election,


Ok so the momment someone disagrees with someone elses political documentary then we are lying and helping someone lie you America.

Your statements are ridculous.

Go take your Smilety faces and LOLs somewhere else.

Edited for sensitivity.

[edit on 28-6-2004 by Agent47]



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by nanna_of_6
and his "friends have been doing,getting rich off of Iraq and us, without contributing their family-members to serve in Iraq (Bush&CO) and to die for the oil they want so badly from the Iraqi people,..


If either of those two statements were true the press would have jumped all over them.

Do you have any financial records showing that people get large sums from Iraq? And wheres this Iraqi oil? I havent seen it yet as gas is still sky high.

Once again these are just ludicrous statements.

[edit on 28-6-2004 by Agent47]



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by Agent47
You are ridculous.

Go take your Smilety faces and LOLs back to AOL Chat you moron.


Calling Grandmothers (or any poster) morons? That's more AOL posting standards. Not ATS.



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by RANT
[Calling Grandmothers (or any poster) morons? That's more AOL posting standards. Not ATS.


Yes. Yes it is. Your right.

I retract my insensitive attacks. I think its time I just left the madhouse that is the Michael Moore forum.



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 11:34 PM
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Do you have any financial records showing that people get large sums from Iraq? And wheres this Iraqi oil? I havent seen it yet as gas is still sky high.


That's a good question, I've been wondering that myself. Where is all the oil in Iraq going? And where is the money paid for it going?



posted on Jun, 28 2004 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by Jamuhn
That's a good question, I've been wondering that myself. Where is all the oil in Iraq going? And where is the money paid for it going?
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I cant tell you with one hundred percent certainty but I do remember reading that the majority of the money will go back into the new Governing council and help to rebuild Iraq.

I think there are still issues with securing the rigs from insurgent attacks, and updating the terminals to current production capabilities. Right now the rigs are currently at the same output level as before the war, but there is speculation that if they can be repaired that the output can rise drastically.

I think lower gas prices and increased production rest solely on the stability of the new Iraq.



posted on Jun, 29 2004 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by nanna_of_6

No, but Prescott Bush was connected to them and Hitler.


Can you please show us the paperwork on how Prescott Bush was directly connected to Hitler? Appart from some wild conspiracy site?

This would be as saying that Martin Luther King was a communist because he had a habit of consorting with communists and making business with them.

Now, do you think that's true? or can you prove the contrary?

BTW i got nothing against Mr King, but I am trying to make a point here.



[edit on 29-6-2004 by Muaddib]



posted on Jun, 29 2004 @ 12:12 AM
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Hey, hey, can you show me any paperwork that says the Hussein committed geonide, or had any WMDs without showing me one of those crazy government-controlled propaganda websites?

You see it works both ways.



posted on Jun, 29 2004 @ 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by Jamuhn
Hey, hey, can you show me any paperwork that says the Hussein committed geonide, or had any WMDs without showing me one of those crazy government-controlled propaganda websites?


Yes it can but I think there were defectors who said Hussein gave the orders to Chemical Ali to put down the Kurd revolt and there might have been eye witness accounts of Iraqi planes dropping the ordanance. Once again I cant guarantee this until I do some research and get back to you.

[edit on 29-6-2004 by Agent47]



posted on Jun, 29 2004 @ 12:42 AM
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muaddib, I found a link just for you,............ enjoy !

www.nhgazette.com...


jamuhn, thank you for your post after muaddib asked for proof which I was able to supply .


Google search is great when you want to look-up the skeletons in a political person's family back-round
and for any other search.



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