Originally posted by Phage
As has been pointed out, the religious art of the middle ages is rife with specific symbolism.
Specific symbolism Phage? "Specific symbolism" overtly appears to negate certain possible interpretations, giving an impression that those creating
the "art" intended the audience of the "art" to be interpretted in specific or only unique ways. The rhetoric chosen implies that secrets were
encoded, but meant to be understood by those who would know the ciphers. "specific symbolism" negates options, and confines what was being conveyed
to a limited number of possibilies.
Without an understanding of that symbolism it is easy to make guesses about what is depicted but it's easy for those guesses to be wrong. Something
that puzzles me about the UFO interpretations in this art is that these are artistic renderings of biblical events. Where in the stories which
inspired the art are the UFOs?
Where in the stories?
Phage. It is already proven fact that the biblical stories which inspired the art were written in codes
with the Atbash
cipher being one such acknowledge and recognized
that was used in the rightings of the book of Jeremiah, and is acknowledged by
Phage. Apply the verses of the stories to the verses of the stories. Apply the words of the words to the words in the books. The bible, the torah,
holy books, were written to be understood in multiple ways, out of perceived necessity, if one can choose to apply one's own self towards the
seemingly covert and ambiguous, symbolic, and metaphorical nature of the styles in which information is mediated, locked away, hidden, and may be
decoded, deciphered. Language and literacy, no matter what your teachers anchored you to believe, is more than just left to right. They were
in the garden of edun
. or eden if you prefer. Sometimes the vowels
can appear as wolves
, deceivers amongst the
, yet of the same ingredients. Vowels and wolVes are two words made of the same stuff. Perhaps "symbolism"
to be interpreted
in a "specific way"
, by those with "understanding"
who aren't just making "guesses"
as to how it is to be interpeted, Nor
assuming they know fully the intentionality and priorities of those who created the artwork, other than to express imagery they wished to transfer
into the future.
For me, the Inca objects bear a stylized resemblance to the family of fish, rhinobatidae, more than any aircraft I've ever seen. The arrangement of
the empennage does not really make sense from an aerodynamic standpoint, with the horizontal stabilizer positioned so far forward of the vertical.
Yes, it can be made to fly, but so can a lawn mower.
Really, you think these "figurines" (for lack of another word) look like guitar fish?
Interpreting very ancient drawings becomes problematic. Placing the mystical representations by ancient man into the context of reality is a reach but
even so, there is no reason to call upon an extraterrestrial interpretation.
No reason Phage? Absolutely none? This particular subject matter in this particular forum has 0% relevance here? "Mystical representations by
ancient man" has no context in reality? Phage, we disagree. This doesn't mean I do not like or respect your views on certain issues, and I do have a
reverence for the information your senses and experiences have garnered. But, I disagree with your summary on this issue, and your apparent
abstinence from some possible interpretations. To say there is no reason
to consider extraterrestrial interpretation is .... well... I
don't know what to call it, Phage. I just dissagree with the level of absoluteness of the statement. I find the that statement hard to accept.
Placing the mystical representations by ancient man into the context of reality is a reach but even so, there is no reason to call upon an
I don't know what else to say about the above, maybe I'm misinterpretting what you mean.
Shamans, kings, and warriors often (usually) bear distinctive headgear in order to distinguish themselves from others.
Why? A learned behavior, copied from nature, or paganistic beliefs that evolved throughout our pre-history, perhaps? (rhetorical questions)
Something worth pondering, in my opinion. But, if closure on this issue is something you have achieved, and the answer serves you well, then you are
entitiled to your encompassing beliefs for kings, shamans, warriors, and spiritual practices and imagery, and all their intentions and practices
origins. I know you are knowledgable about certain things, things I may be ignorant of, and visa versa. That is why we endeavor for intellectually
founded dialogue with others here on ATS. Sharing information.
I mean no disrespect, I just would like to let you know where I stand on this particular issue. I am not convinced our history has been overtly
dissiminated evenly among all, and even today the fact that specialities and fields of study have their own specific jargon and rhetoric is still a
practice, perhaps a reflection of conditioned perceived biological obligations, internal loyalties.
I'm just not sure how many people from how many cultures I am prepared to call liars or accept their symbolism and metaphorical imagery was not based
in some familiar real foundation in reality. Fairly ambiguos messages have been carried through generations, and I don't subscribe to the belief it
was not done for relatively important, and covert purposes.
Thanks for taking the time to read this Phage,
& Fellow ATS members,
Another example of native American petraglyph from prehistory:
In 1966 a 7000 year old petraglyph was discovered in the province of Querétaro, Mexico. There are 4 figures with outstretched arms below a large oval
object radiating what appear to be beams of light:
Just sharing my thoughts, and my opinions on some issues. I'm comfortable reserving the right to claim I may be absolutely mistaken about certain
things pending experiences and information my senses may garner
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