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NEWS: Assyrian Christians in Iraq suffering attacks.

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posted on Jun, 25 2004 @ 12:59 PM
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Iraqi Christians and churches are receiving threatening letters in Arabic to submit to Islam and support the rebellion or they will suffer the consequences.
 

Iraqi Christians face persecution
Threatened with torture, burning, bombing for not joining 'resistance'


Christians and churches have received letters in Arabic threatening that if they don't follow Islamic practice and support "the resistance," they will face the consequences: "torture, and burning or exploding the house with the family in it," says Elizabeth Kendal, researcher for the World Evangelical Alliance Religious Liberty Commission, in a report published by the Assist News Service.

Mandaean Christians, who follow the teachings of John the Baptist, have been receiving the same threats and suffering the same violence, Kendal says.

The unchecked Islamic aggression is forcing the Christians to flee, she states, citing some examples.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


They mention different attacks on Iraqi Christians in the report. Assyrian Christians are reported by historians as being the indigenous people of Iraq. As is written on the link the Assyrian Church of the East was founded in 33AD, 600 years later Arab invaders put the Assyrians under Islamic rule.

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posted on Jun, 25 2004 @ 01:01 PM
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[sarcasm] Oh surely not. I've been assured that Islam is a peaceful, non violent religion that is not trying to force the conversion and submission of others to Islam.

How can this be?

[/sarcasm]



posted on Jun, 25 2004 @ 01:10 PM
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For anyone interested in the Assyrian history here is an excerpt and a link.

" One of the greatest Assyrian achievements of the fourth century was the founding of the first university in the world. The School of Nisibis had three departments: theology, philosophy and medicine, and became a magnet and center of intellectual development in the Middle East. The statutes of the School of Nisibis, which have been preserved, later became the model upon which the first Italian university was based.

When Arabs and Islam swept through the Middle East in 630 A.D., they encountered 600 years of Assyrian Christian civilization, with a rich heritage, a highly developed culture, and advanced learning institutions. It is this civilization which became the foundation of the Arab civilization. "

Excerpted from.
Brief History of Assyrians



posted on Jun, 25 2004 @ 01:44 PM
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there was another article or news brief somewhere, i'll have to look, pbs or cnn or was it fox, where they showed the muslim arabs who live in the area of the churches helping to protect the christians and church. i wish i had time to search but anyways while they are being threatened which is to be expected....if it is terrorists, then they are threatening everyone and not singling out just the assyrians...everyone in and around the neighborhood muslim and christians are under seige.



posted on Jun, 25 2004 @ 01:48 PM
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here is a good artical on islam, now dont loose yoour heads.

Saudi Arabia Beheading Capital of the World




June 25, 2004
By Mike Evans
2004 WorldNetDaily.com

The execution-style murder of Paul Johnson has been condemned by the Organization of the Islamic Conference. The OIC chief, Abd al-Wahid Bilqaziz, labeled Mr. Johnson's death as a "barbaric act," and went on to reassure the world in general and the American public in particular that "Islam recommends the protection of foreigners and prohibits the killing of innocent people." How magnanimous of Mr. Bilqaziz!

Apparently in an attempt to assuage world outrage, Saudi security launched a search for the body of the beheaded American. Why has that outrage not extended to the hundreds, perhaps thousands, who have been beheaded and tossed into unmarked graves over the past 30 years?

According to Amnesty International, more than half of those beheaded between 1990 and 1999 were foreign nationals, and some were Christian missionaries. Why has the Saudi government not returned those bodies to their loved ones for proper burial?

In Saudi Arabia, heads roll for sodomy, armed robbery, murder, and for being a Christian. Some Christians were beheaded after having been falsely accused of drugs or other crimes reportedly as benign as leading a Bible study or offering prayers. Saudis that convert to Christianity, or "desert Islam," are subject to the death penalty, as well.

Those condemned to death are taken to a public square blindfolded after midday prayers, hands tied behind their backs and forced to kneel facing Mecca. The police clear the square of all traffic and lay a blue plastic sheet 16-feet square on the ground. The executioner swings the sword two or three times before jabbing the poor soul in the back to force him to raise his head. More than 100 people have been beheaded in Saudi since 9-11, and the vast majority were not members of al-Qaida!

We are told that the militants and extremists who committed the horrendous murder of Paul Johnson have been killed. Why are murderers, who have no regard for the sanctity of human life, called "militants"? Why not label them exactly as what they are: terrorists? And, if these so-called militants and extremists are going to be hunted down and killed or arrested, what awaits the entire House of Saud?

I, too, am outraged, not only by the beheading of Paul Johnson, but by the Saudi PR-machine that has hypocritically expressed its disgust over this barbarism. It is, indeed, the theater of the absurd and a festival of hypocrisy.

In 1991 during the Persian Gulf War, I preached the gospel in the center of Dhahran. U.S. military police grabbed me and screamed, "Are you nuts? They will cut your head off, you fool!" Days later, I shared Christ with Gen. Khalid. He looked at me and asked, "Are you trying to convert me? We cut off heads for that."

Any thinking person knows that the House of Saud is the principal financier of the terrorists on whom President Bush has declared war. They export more than oil. About 25 percent of all those in the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, are Saudi nationals. No country in the world has spent more to export bigotry and hatred than Saudi Arabia.

Islam is portrayed as a religion of tolerance. How ignorant can we be? Women cannot drive cars in Saudi Arabia, girls are still circumcised, political parties and trade unions are outlawed, the church and state are one in Saudi Arabia. Do not hold your breath while searching for a Christian church or Jewish synagogue in that country; you will suffocate. Television is censored to the degree that if Mickey Mouse gives Minnie Mouse a peck on the cheek, poor Mickey will be banished from the kingdom!

Several years ago, I interviewed a U.S. Aramco employee. He told me he was tortured for having a video of "The Love Boat" in his suitcase. He was accused of possessing pornography. While in jail, he feared he might be beheaded.

The Holy Grail of understanding is that there is nothing tolerant about Saudi Arabia. Shariah (Islamic law) shows no tolerance. No, it is no coincidence that 15 of the 19 terrorists who attacked America on 9-11 were Saudi Arabian. All were Wahhabists, as is the Taliban, and the majority of the population of Saudi. If democracy were to come to tolerant Saudi Arabia, Osama bin Laden would be elected in a landslide.

We have been assured that Saddam Hussein was not involved in 9-11; on the other hand, we know with certainty that Saudi nationals were. For the House of Saud to try to distance itself from Islamic fundamentalism would be tantamount to Osama trying to distance himself from terrorism.

The same can be said of al-Qaida. The general Muslim population thinks the evil empire of communism was not defeated by Ronald Reagan and the crusaders, but rather, it was Osama bin Laden and Islam that caused the Soviet house of cards to crumble in Afghanistan. They also believe there is just one "evil empire" in the world, and that Iraq will be to America what Afghanistan was to the Soviets.

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Michael D. Evans is the author of "Beyond Iraq: The Next Move," an Amazon No. 2 and a New York Times best-seller, and founder of Americas largest Christian coalition praying for the peace of Jerusalem, Jerusalem Prayer Team.org. Evans' "The American Prophecies" will be released by Time Warner in early August.

www.worldnetdaily.com...



posted on Jun, 25 2004 @ 02:26 PM
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Christians are being attacked by Muslims all over the world as well. This isn't well known in this country because the major newspapers and most TV networks won't report it for fear of "hurting the feelings" of Muslims who don't agree with these tactics.

If you want to know the real story, go to www.persecution.com

www.onealclan.com



posted on Jun, 25 2004 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by worldwatcher
there was another article or news brief somewhere, i'll have to look, pbs or cnn or was it fox, where they showed the muslim arabs who live in the area of the churches helping to protect the christians and church. i wish i had time to search but anyways while they are being threatened which is to be expected....if it is terrorists, then they are threatening everyone and not singling out just the assyrians...everyone in and around the neighborhood muslim and christians are under seige.


Muslin moderates do suffer also from Muslim extremists. I have said this before, but the Christians have been targeted even more than any other faith in Iraq and other regions close by, except the Jewish people who are also being attacked by Islamic extremists.

But, it is true that moderate Muslims are also killed for not subjugating to the original radical view of Islam.



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 07:17 PM
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As a related aside, the former Vice President of Iraq, Tariq Assiz, was an Iraqi christian. I beleive in his case that he is infact a Roman Catholic, and before the war there were envoys from the Vatican that spoke with him about it.



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by Ambient Sound
[sarcasm] Oh surely not. I've been assured that Islam is a peaceful, non violent religion that is not trying to force the conversion and submission of others to Islam.

How can this be?

[/sarcasm]


Well actualy is not your regular Islamic religion followers but the radical branch of them, there are 1,209 mosques in America, well over half founded in the last 20 years. Between 17 and 30 percent of American Muslims are converts to the faith.

Do you see any of this muslins pushing Islam on christians here in US.?

Well is two side of the story, you are right the radical also push their views of their version of Islam into their own people also.

And yes I think radical Islam can view as evil.



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 07:55 PM
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Odd that Christians and Muslims lived together in Iraq peacefully (Tariq Aziz, Iraqi Foreign Minister for Saddam, was Christian) and now that we invade the Christians are being persecuted. But don't worry, everything over there is better than it was under Saddam. lol



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by taibunsuu
But don't worry, everything over there is better than it was under Saddam. lol


Sadr, the militant leader in the ali-iman shrine in najaf, his father was a cleric in the saddam era, a leader of the shia. Saddam saw, correctly, the shia as a threat to his rule. He had his thugs kidnap Sadr and his sister. THey forced him to watch her get raped while they beat him. Then they set his beard on fire and killed the both of them.


Ahhh, to good old days of hussein. Those damned americans. Saddam is still alive, why not donate to his defense team, perhaps he can be cleared of all crimes and re assume power in iraq. Think about all the jobs the death squads will create.



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by taibunsuu
But don't worry, everything over there is better than it was under Saddam. lol


Sadr, the militant leader in the ali-iman shrine in najaf, his father was a cleric in the saddam era, a leader of the shia. Saddam saw, correctly, the shia as a threat to his rule. He had his thugs kidnap Sadr and his sister. THey forced him to watch her get raped while they beat him. Then they set his beard on fire and killed the both of them.




Sounds a lot like Abu Ghraib prison.



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 10:51 PM
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taibunsuu,

That is a good one, Sadam did it but US got hit for it.



posted on Aug, 24 2004 @ 11:28 PM
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I'd like the public to see the images that only our Congressmen were allowed to see.

Probably the reason the US public doesn't see them, is because everyone who voted for that war and the people who signed off on using torture would be chased down and lynched.



posted on Aug, 25 2004 @ 08:09 AM
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I am going to let you in a little secret, my husband came to the house after being at work and he said to me, I didn't know that in the Abu Ghraib prison they were raping, and I said yes is been in the news, then he said something that has been post here in ATS as just a suspicion, he said they were raping children in from of their parents, and I said yes is some rumors going around about that, then he said it was true, and I asked him how do you know, I better don't answer that just in case.

No, I can not provide the paper.

And that is all I can said.


[edit on 25-8-2004 by marg6043]



posted on Aug, 25 2004 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by taibunsuu
Sounds a lot like Abu Ghraib prison.


You are missing a fundamental difference. These people did it on the orders of hussein, they guy you are saying the country is better off with. Abu Garaib was a terrible disgrace, however Bush didn't order some of his thugs to do it.

[edited to reduce excessive quoting]

[edit on 26-8-2004 by Nygdan]



posted on Aug, 25 2004 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by taibunsuu

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by taibunsuu
But don't worry, everything over there is better than it was under Saddam. lol

[execution of the older sadr and his sister]

Sounds a lot like Abu Ghraib prison.


You are missing a fundamental difference. These people did it on the orders of hussein, they guy you are saying the country is better off with. Abu Garaib was a terrible disgrace, however Bush didn't order some of his thugs to do it.


no, but he condoned it, by ordering his legal team to find out ways to circumvent the Convention on Human Rights and the Geneva Conventions, and how to legally torture people. similarly, Saddam did not order each and every occurence of torture that occured in Iraq- but they were condoned. soldiers who knew they were dealing with, say, rebellious Kurds knew they could torture them and Saddam couldn't care less.. just as soldiers in Abu Ghraib knew they could torture suspected terrorists and their leaders couldn't care less... right on up the line to ashcroft, rummy, and bush. the difference is that america is a democracy and the people would not accept these actions, even if the leaders do.

-koji K.

[edit on 25-8-2004 by koji_K]



posted on Aug, 26 2004 @ 03:49 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by taibunsuu

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by taibunsuu
But don't worry, everything over there is better than it was under Saddam. lol

[execution of the older sadr and his sister]

Sounds a lot like Abu Ghraib prison.


You are missing a fundamental difference. These people did it on the orders of hussein, they guy you are saying the country is better off with. Abu Garaib was a terrible disgrace, however Bush didn't order some of his thugs to do it.


lol... The sad truth is these 'thugs' are normal Americans serving in the West Virginia National Guard. What takes a girl with a career as a grocery bagger like Lynndie England from being a normal American to one of 'Bush's thugs?' Well, either she and her fellow soldiers were born torturers, or they were working under the orders of their superiors and it was a failure in the chain of command. Now, what's better for the guys at the top, to declare there were a 'few bad apples,' or 'the buck stops here, we screwed up.' I'll leave that for you to decide.



posted on Aug, 26 2004 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by koji_K
no, but he condoned it


Investigating legal possibilities on hypothetical situations and condoning acts that are occuring and have occured are entirely different things. Bush did not condone what happened in that prison.


Saddam did not order each and every occurence of torture that occured in Iraq


He did, however, personally order execution, torture, and murder. His sons did these things himself. And when these crimes were comitted, he didn't apply the law to the perpetrators, and even promoted them. That is condoning.


just as soldiers in Abu Ghraib knew they could torture suspected terrorists and their leaders couldn't care less


If they thought so, then they thought wrong, as they are learning now in their military tribunal/courts martial proceedings.


people would not accept these actions, even if the leaders do.


The error on the part of the administration wasn't condoning, supporting, or prompting these actions, but rather ignoring/not beleiveing/not following up soon enough on reports that they were occuring.


taibunsuu:
What takes a girl with a career as a grocery bagger like Lynndie England from being a normal American to one of 'Bush's thugs?'


Absolutely nothing is required, other than the oppurtunity to commit atrocities and torture and humiliate other people. The human animal is violent, viscous, and often sadistic and depraved, and when given power over other people has, apparently, an inherent tendency to do these things. Not every person will do so, as is quite obvious, but many will. Its a natural human condition to act in such a manner.

Just to be clear, I am not excusing this sort of thing, just saying that when there are people this will happen. Under saddams rule however, this wasn't behaviour, it was policy



posted on Sep, 22 2004 @ 01:18 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Do you see any of this muslins pushing Islam on christians here in US.?


I have not seen these responses before so i am responding now.

To anwser your question.. yes Marg, not too long ago we were discussing that at least in one town in the US there was talk of allowing Muslim prayers be broadcasted through loudspeakers, since the Muslim community in that town asked for this, like what happens in Muslim countries. Muslims have 5 prayers the first one starting at 6 am which are broadcasted through loudspeakers.

I have also posted in the past the radical views that were presented by some Muslim students that live in the US, asking for infitada in the US. Do a search on these forums to find those threads.

Do i think all Muslims are bad people? or want to impose islam? not all of them, but perhaps you should read what the Koran says about this, and what it says about spreading the religion and how to do it.




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