Former Area 51 Employee Ed Fouche

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posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
Ha, don't make me laugh. It will be pages upon pages of nothing but utter crap. Stuff that you would need to stretch really, really far in order for it to be even remotely substantial. He will not have a smoking gun document, only the typical stuff we see from fools who make these claims all the time.


Well this may surprise you but this time I want you and Phage to evaluate the proof



It would seem anyone who has done work at area 51 seems to think it gives them license to tell tall tales and feed a lot of peoples fantasies.



By my logic, I guess I need to wait for my co-worker and several other people to start making ridiculous, unsupported claims just because they too have been to "area 51"


Ummm just exactly where did you say you worked?



I'll be awaiting to see this fool's website with his "proof" so I can drop back by this thread and say I told you so.


So tell me... what is your opinion of AlienScientist? Not had time to look him over yet, but I hear he is a decent sort



Originally posted by KIZZZY
Actually ITF Ed does say in his interview that he has no proof.


Yup that is why I am waiting patiently because he is supposed to show us that proof now. Apparently that is why he came out of 'retirement' after all these years... He says that he is tired of all the naysayers and wants to set it straight

Interesting point Ed is even more against Bob Lazar's story that even IgnoreTheFacts is, so now we have "Insider Wars"

That is what is so odd... you would think they would get more mileage if they collaborated instead of calling each other liars




posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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Good thread on that here by Jkrog08 (RIP) Deserves a bump

Americas 14,000mph secret transit system
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by KIZZZY

They said I was a liar & a bull-#ter, because NONE of them (Scientists & Engineers) had ever heard of them. Now there are thousands of article about research into them. Why, because when I was talking about them the research was Top Secret or above. Yep! Most of my friends are gov, military, scientists, physicists, engineers, private researchers, & law enforcement. AND Stanton Freedman, a friend, did find me. Eddie Fouche graduated from Longview HS in East Texas in the late 60s. Ed Fouche.




Oh there we go
We all know what Stanton Freedman thinks about Bob's story... we need to find out what Stanton Freedman thinks about Ed's story... If Stanton nay says Bob but supports Ed then we have a starting point




posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by airspoon
. Just the fact that it is in a genre where confirmation is next to impossible, makes me suspicious. I'm not saying the guy is lying, only that he is suspect. Also, the fact that AlienScientist (I don't know him, so can't speak to his intentions) put up a disclaimer in his video, speaks to his distrust of this fella.


Well I disagree. IF he worked there he could prove it. Remember Bob's pay slip? Well yes that was brought into question..but if Ed claims to be the real deal, and worked there so many years, surely he can show us his personal badge, his paystubs, or something.

Like this... he shows his training photo

from www.alienscientist.com...



but at the same time he shows a meaningless CIA patch on his page as well. That sort of material is used for misdirection, almost like subliminal advertising. I saw Henry Deacan(aka Arthur aka 50 more) do that at a seminar... held up a passport but let no one actually look inside it. Now the training pic means absolutely nothing in relation to his claim, nor would any employment or service at Nellis AFB prove anything. I know many that have a Nellis AFB record and some are currently active. Doesn't mean they have been to Area 51


Ed says Bob is a liar... Ed goes out of his way to push that point... so let's see Ed's badge and paystub... Bob has already shown me his current Las Alamos badge.




You would think that if he was planning on going public, he would have retained something to confirm his story, as anyone in his position would have known that without confirmation, his story is really only good for selling books or waving hands at seminars.


Yes one would think... that is why I am waiting patiently





For instance, if I was going to betray employer (which I wouldn't do, by the way unless I felt that my family, community or country was at stake) with information that I believe people needed to know, then I would ensure that I could prove my story before going public, unless of course my motives were superficial, such as selling books or talking at siminars.


I agree... and there is also this... IF S4 is the real deal... then why is the gov letting Bob, Dan and Ed continue to talk about it?
1) it's not real and they are using this to distract attention
2) it's real but let these guy continue because no one will believe it
3) they really want it leaked out...(in that case they should send me some docs
)




It is in these fields with this subject matter, that really draws out the con-men, as it's something that really can't be confirmed, one way or another. Just this fact alone should keep us more skeptical than ever when someone makes these claims.


Perhaps that is the plan... confuse, confuddle, divide and conquer. ChickNorris posted some docs from the DTIC on just such an outline I will have to go pull them up



As far as Alien Scientist, if you say he is credible, I have no reason not to believe it, though I wouldn't vouch for his credibility myself until I was familiar with his work. However, his credibility makes little difference here, as he is absolving himself of any liability by adding a disclaimer to the video. That disclaimer is in effect, a refusal to vouch for the credibility of this Edgar fella. So, even if Alien Scientist is a credible guy, it certainly doesn't make Edgar a credible guy, even by attachment, as AS has not vouched for his credibility and in fact, has done the opposite.


That is a very good point


edit on 9-10-2010 by zorgon because: NO!!



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by buddhistpunk
How can a site full of people with highschool grade physics debunk anything this man has to say.
This has to be one of the most pretentious websites on the web.


Well if you look at some of the members here, we have people that work in intelligence positions, people that work at the Tonapah test center (Area 52 unofficially) and even at Edwards AFB and Dryden research center and many more. I could list the names.. but you don't have a need to know



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by buddhistpunk
How can a site full of people with highschool grade physics debunk anything this man has to say.
This has to be one of the most pretentious websites on the web.


secondly to what zorgon just said.

it just goes to show how bad a lot of these hoaxsters claims and stories are when even an average joe like me can pick holes in them!.

nobody needs to be a phd to debunk bull**** !!!.

thanks

rich
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posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 02:10 PM
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Regardless of what one may think of Ed Fouche and/or Bob Lazar, it is worth considering that both these individuals have presented documentation of their respective bona fides far beyond any such documentation presented by the current occupant of the White House.

Thus I would have to ask whos background is better documented; Bob Lazar, Ed Fouche or Barrack Obama?

Just saying.......



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by KIZZZY
reply to post by airspoon
 

Well Airspoon, I happen to have a lot of respect for AlienScientist and he did
put up a "disclaimer" and wants all people to do their own research on the
matter.
I even have some of AlienScientist YT videos displayed on my YT channel.
Any and all comments are totally welcomed here especially your two cents!

*puts out the beggar bowl*



For those wanting to research Fouche, as I recall, Fouche claimed to be from a formerly wealthy family from San Antonio, and he had loads of schooling. What we really need to know are his credentials for being and working at those secret locations. If like, Lazar and Barish, the edcuational documents have been "erased," I give them all a thumbs down--copycat facrications.

Kizzzy, OT comment:I find your avatar offensive even tho I like all of those body parts in an appropriate setting.



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 03:01 PM
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Already on that one



Here is the first part..

ED says...


First I'll Share Some Of My Family Background: I was born to fifth generation French-Americans, and many of my relatives, for generations, have historically been involved with the government, in fields of intelligence, black programs, crypto, and classified development projects. This is true as far back as the French revolution where Joseph Fouch‚ was the Prime Minister under Napoleon. He was the head of the French secret National Police Force and a direct ancestor of mine. Joseph Fouch‚ started and controlled the world's first professionally organized intelligence agency with agents throughout Europe.


www.alienscientist.com...

Here is Joseph Fouche



Immediately below that picture we see a CIA patch with Eds' COPYRIGHT on it? WTF? Wonder how the CIA feels about that




Looking at the history of Joseph Fouche I find this..

Joseph Fouche
Duc d'Otrante
1763-1820


Napoleon Bonaparte's head of internal security, Joseph Fouche was a former school teacher who put aside the slate for politics. As a Jacobin member of the Convention, Fouche voted for the death of Louis XVI and then, sensing a change in political fortunes, turned against them. In 1799, Fouche became Minister of Police and used his increasingly powerful agent network to support the coup of Brumaire. Despite his assistance, Bonaparte was nervous of Fouche's power and he was removed from office for two years, before being re-employed as security chief.

www.napoleonguide.com...

There is more..


In 1810, the French emperor discovered Fouche had been having secret talks with foreign powers and eventually sacked him. Eventually Fouche wormed his way back into semi favour and was given the governorship of Illyria. After the Bourbon return to power Fouche kept links with Bonaparte, as he then did with the royals during the 100 Days' Campaign. Following the emperor's final defeat he was president of the commission ruling France and even had a place in government. Understandably, pro-royalists took offence at a regicide being in power and Fouche quit his post after only a few months. An intriguer with few equals, Fouche was the ultimate survivor with no obvious morals.

www.napoleonguide.com...

Not sure I would use such a shady character as reference... kinda sets the stage though... so to speak




posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 03:11 PM
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i have a problem with a claim fouche makes in video 3, he talks about removing an access panel from a module in 1975 and coming across some microchips with over 500 pins and capable of 1 billion cycles per second, now if this were true then surely these chips would be common place by now, at least in the military, so why is it that the military has bought a huge stack of playstation 3 consoles in recent years to make cheap supercomputers.

scitech.blogs.cnn.com...

hushedcasket.com...

also if i remember correctly a microchip becomes less than optimal after 128 bit and thats why chip manufacturer's have all gone multicore, and i assume a chip with over 500 pins would be far more than 128 bit. im not a computer expert by any stretch but what he says makes no sense to me.

thanks

rich



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 03:29 PM
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another problem with video 3, he says he had a part time job at the silver casino running their security?. eh? really?.

so hes telling us that an aviation, black projects "airforce expert" has the need and time to run security at a casino while working at area 51???.

im starting to wonder if i should even bother watching any more.....

thanks

rich



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 03:30 PM
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It's the weekend.
Go for it.



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 03:36 PM
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hi phage,

im interested in what you think about what he says about the 500 pin microchips and my assessment, like i said, im no computer expert but i think i understand them enough to see it as a problem,

thanks

rich



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 03:53 PM
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Even though it's the weekend I do have a few things to do so I'm not watching the video yet.

The microchip claim is problematic. Did he count the pins himself? How did he know the clock rate of the chip? Just by looking at it? Of course it is nothing but an unsubstantiated claim, is it? So it really doesn't matter.
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posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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well the chip may exist.

we already have chips that are well above 500 pins. lga 775-1356 then there is XEON series with more chips.

there is also no correlation between pins a bits.

as for size. most cpu's are just CM in size. they just have big housing to set the pins and so people can put them in without a machine.

as for knowing the clockspeed. that is not hard with a few tools.

there are chips now that can do well over 1billion cycles a second in the mainstream.

cycles a secont could mean multiple cores in one chip like a GPU.

ati's HD5770 has 800 core on one chip. when run in serial or parallel you can getwell past 2 billion cycles.

in chips there is a lot more math involved beside a simple frequency.

i have not watched the videos yet i just ran through the posts first.

but i do know quite a bit about how a chip works.

i can tell you this tech has been around for about 4 years now in the publics eye.

there are computers out there that are way beyond out comprehension.

there is even a chip nicknamed the "postage stamp" it is tiny and you can stack them like lego's and it only increases the processing power.



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 04:17 PM
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ok, thank you for that but still, i see it as a problem, if as he claims it was available in 1975 then im sure as i already stated that it would have been widespread long ago at very least in the military and they would have no need to be buying playstation 3 consoles to make supercomputers!.

thanks

rich



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 04:34 PM
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they were around in the late 90's. a 1ghz computer is 1 billion cycles.

now if you think about it. what that is mainstream. the reason the govt buys ps3's is not to build super computers as they say they are. they are used in guidance systems and simulators.

how many things have we seen lately that is said to be new tech but has been around since the 50's?

one i the laser printer. it has been around since the late 60's. but only mainstream in the late 80's.

im just starting with the videos now.

i am not supporting ed yet. i am just trying to help you understand it has been around for many years.

we have been able to build these chips for a long long time. just the older ones we use to make were huge and power hungry and not so much throughput.

speed isnt all that matters in the cpu. you also need accuracy and throughput. the speed of how fast it works is only the smallest part. if you can not get the data there fast enough then it is pointless.

now back to the vids



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 04:35 PM
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KIZZZY…..

I note I have previously read & listened to some of Fouche’s material, albeit I have not sat through an hour or so of one of his presentations.

I guess I see it like this:

On the one hand…..

If someone was going to transgress non disclosure agreements, etc… in order to leak such information, then it’s possible….. or perhaps better put, not absolutely impossible….. that it could be done in this manner.

On the other hand…..

To date, Fouche has provided effectively no evidence to support his claims & there are inconsistencies within the “internal logic” of his “story”.

I too shall await his “evidence” with some interest.

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by Tholidor
Thus I would have to ask whos background is better documented; Bob Lazar, Ed Fouche or Barrack Obama?


Do you have the link to said documentation on Ed Fouche? Please share that with us, Thanks



posted on Oct, 9 2010 @ 04:47 PM
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ok mate, point taken, as i said im not a computer expert, and yes its not beyond possibility.

but still i have already found a few flaws with things he has to say, lol.

next problem i have is in video 5, he talks about the supposed SR-75 "mothership" and SR-74 drone that supposedly launches satellites for the N.S.A.

now we already know how the D21 drone turned out!.

en.wikipedia.org...

now to me, it makes absolutely no sense for the military to attempt this again and makes even less sense for the drone to be launching satellites !. now surely it would be easier, cheaper and safer to launch satellites straight from a rocket then to have that type of military asset doing such a job!.

again im just speculating and could be wrong but it doesn't seem very logical to me!.

thanks

rich





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