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When did i say i was a Mason lol
see thats the kind of tactics you been tought....to lie
How could i join something that the explanation of the ceremony, the true meaning, is revealed afterward. You have the admit, the ceremony is strange and could be explained to you in anyway they want. If I joined not knowing,
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by BluePillOrRedPill
I would fight my way out of there, LOL!
That would be me, definetly. Maybe if my sponsor stayed or i had an elder to look up too like you did, i would have joined. But like i said, i'm glad it worked out the way it did.
Why not in the summertime? A lot of the older lodge buildings don’t have air conditioning, for one… And as my brother also mentioned, a lot of people travel with their families in the summer, and family comes before Masonry in our duties, so yeah, a lot of times it could be hard to pull together a degree team. It has become tradition in many areas to have the lodge “dark” in July & August…no meetings again until September.
Originally posted by BluePillOrRedPill
Our "tour guide" mason then said "if you join this week and pay your dues, you could get your first three degrees all at the same time, at the same ceremony, before summertime. Because the higher ups don't give out degrees in the summertime." But, why not in the summertime? Is my 350 dollar dues and degree fee going to be used for the higher ups to go on summer vacation? It was like $150-200 to join, and $50 dollars each degree. It struck me as a little weird but i have enough money.
I wouldn't necessarily consider that evasion. A lot of candidates worry about “doing it right” before going through the degrees. He might have misunderstood your question, because as he says, there’s a guide at every step of the way to tell you what to do next. The whole point of the initiation is that you go in blind and clueless. It is by going through the experience that you are supposed to then be able to reflect on the teachings.
Here is were i felt something telling me not to join the masons, even though i was really interested. I already knew about the induction ceremony. I knew that you went through something really weird in order to become a mason, i just didn't know what it meant in performing the initiation. I didn't understand what it meant for you to say those things, and what it meant for them to say those things and perform those acts. That always stuck in my head. So the "tour guide" says, "after you pay the dues and the money for the first 3 degrees, you'll have your cermony."(or whatever). "It might seem a little weird at first. Everyone is dressed kind of weird, and you'll have to go through this old tradition kind of ceremony."
Here is where i believe a higher power helped me make the right decision. Flame me if you like, i believe it to be true.
So i say, "yeah, i've heard you have to say and do some weird stuff, what does it all mean? (notice the direct question..)
He says, "Don't worry about it, we will help you through what your suppose to say and do, so it's not hard or confusing." (Ohh, notice the non-direct answer!)
Ideally, all of them. But it's not a trick. It’s a method of teaching. If you’re in a book club you actually have to read the book before you can have a meaningful discussion about it. It would be empty to try to explain everything before you even went through it, because it wouldn’t mean anything to you. But realistically, all of the ritual has been published for hundreds of years. If you’re really curious, go down to the local book shop and buy a copy of Duncan’s Ritual, or google it—it’s freely available online at a number of sources.
I wonder how many people they have tricked into not thinking about the ceremony until afterward?
Wouldn’t that be amazing? A whole world that has sworn not to kill each other; sworn not to cheat or wrong each other; sworn to treat each other as equals, regardless of their race or religion or social standing.
]What if the majority of people were masons? The mason's don't go against each other, so if they got really big, who would stop them? If they keep gaining members, its going to be a whole world society?
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Dr Cosma
I never said, that you said, you were a Mason. I only said that you are NOT a Mason, so why would anyone take your word for what goes on in the ceremony, or what the true meaning of it is. You are exactly wrong in what you declare to be the meaning of the ceremony. Not your fault I suppose, you are just summarizing a bunch of rhetoric from non-Masons. The ceremony does not have you letting go of your beliefs as you stated.