Dutch queen OKs government backed by Geert Wilders

Originally posted by LarryLove
reply to post by EarthOccupant

 

Again, go back to the beginning of the post and therein lies the clue.

A move to the right - good or bad for the Netherlands and Europe as a whole?

Aha, Tnx for explaining.

Well I think left or right thinking is old school politics.. Designed to divide.
Unfortunately we are for the time being stuck with that.

So to answer your question:

As long as the majority voted for it it is oké. It would be even better if the media would report colorless facts about the situation, so every individual could make up his/her own mind without disinformation.

If there are problems in a community they should be named and solved.
Not being denied by "moral" knights who think that the people are not smart enough to decide for themselves, and therefore accusing everyone with a vote against their believes as stupid or dangerous.

That is even more dangerous as ignorant voters!

A society is a living thing, and left should except that it will not always be as they would like, as long as there will be no violence, suppression or other human rights violations.

So, accept democracy and defend free speech. Do not be concerned about left or right. Support good ideas, celebrate victories and be a respectful looser.

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I have gone off topic on this and want to bring it back on topic. But considering Wilders was denied access to the UK for a while kind of makes me think the guy is a loose canon. A politician being tried for incitement to racial hatred is not a good role model for society.

However, you are entitled to support far right neo nazi groups and I am entitled to my view. Again, I strayed off topic too, but will seriously question anyone who supports the EDL, BNP or Geert Wilders.

And as the good thing about Geert and the Netherlands Europe..

I welcome fresh blood, those decennial long sitting powers need a good brush up, they lost touch with the people on the street.

A lot of people look at de PVV only with the Islam questions, but there was a study recently that only about 10% of the Geert voters voted because of the Islam, tho other 90% is just tired of those sitting parties with their eternal lies, games and deception for own profit or power.

So i welcome every new (democratic!) party and hope they clean ship around here in Europe.

Nothing is going to happen to Geert Wilders.

I am familiar with the symbol politics that goes with the trail he is facing.
He stands justice for freedom of speech.
The judge has for the second time shown that he has chose a side.
First he sed that he would understand if anybody want to leave the courtroom before playing Fitna.
The second time he the judge sed the Geert Wilders never goes into dialogue and keeps avoiding it.

A judge can never do that, so the case is frozen untill they are fighting about it, are installing new judges.
He wil never be convicted.

And even if he comes in the politics, European law prevents him from reaching his goals.
But dont overlook the momentum in Europa. France, Germany, Netherlands and al lot more country's, are not for nothing turning right in their visions.

See this movement as a virus, it hasnt reached critical mass, but when it does. Europe could collapse very quickly.
Geert cant do nothing, only say what he thinks. But other country's could cooperate against European law, and then change is comming very fast.
I see France as an example of things to come

Originally posted by LarryLove
reply to post by ollncasino

 

I have gone off topic on this and want to bring it back on topic. But considering Wilders was denied access to the UK for a while kind of makes me think the guy is a loose canon. A politician being tried for incitement to racial hatred is not a good role model for society.

However, you are entitled to support far right neo nazi groups and I am entitled to my view. Again, I strayed off topic too, but will seriously question anyone who supports the EDL, BNP or Geert Wilders.

This is why the left wing is dangerous, the say right calls for hate and more...

But when i look at your post:

You share him with neo nazi's after a few posts already (name calling, hatred seeds) Also you take the fact he was denied as a point, and you forget about the fact that that decision was illegal (by a socialist government) and the court overruled that...

Don't you see you are doing exactly that what you are afraid off ???

Originally posted by LarryLove
I have gone off topic on this and want to bring it back on topic. But considering Wilders was denied access to the UK for a while kind of makes me think the guy is a loose canon. A politician being tried for incitement to racial hatred is not a good role model for society.

There you go again. You just can't help yourself.

Another pop at Wilders yet no one is allowed to defend him?

Are you for real?

Originally posted by LarryLove
However, you are entitled to support far right neo nazi groups and I am entitled to my view. Again, I strayed off topic too, but will seriously question anyone who supports the EDL, BNP or Geert Wilders.

Again, another pop at Wilders et.al

Are you for real. Wilders and the EDL are far right neo nazis now?

Wow. You have certainly shown your true colours.

No wonder people are moving to the right. Away from left wing extremists like yourself!

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Indeed... The problem with this kind of people is they don't listen, are pre mind made up and while crying about the rightwing as danger and violence... ... They do exactly the same thing.. or i dare to add: Even Worse!

Dangerous people.

I still don't get it.....he wants to protect and better his country, and he has to deal with issues like this from the left. The islamification of Europe isn;t fantasy, he knows it, and wants to do something about it. How is this bad?

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
I still don't get it.....he wants to protect and better his country, and he has to deal with issues like this from the left. The islamification of Europe isn;t fantasy, he knows it, and wants to do something about it. How is this bad?

How dare you ask this question!


Haha I don't mind, but that would be the reply you would get in the Netherlands from existing politics and Media.

Now go be silent and ashamed!

When the Islamic immigrants came for our lower class jobs
I remained silent;
Let them have their jobs

When they started bringing in their wives and children.
I remained silent;
Everyone deserves love.

When they built their mosques,
I did not speak out;
Let them have their mosques.

When they started to harass our wives, daughters and sisters
I remained silent;
I pretended it were just incidents.

When I went out with a Muslim girl,
They threatened to kill me.
I pretended it was just her family.

When they started to steal, rob and murder
I started to wonder.
The media was trying to portrait it as incidents

When I read the Koran;
I was disgusted by it's violent, racist, and totalitarian ideology
I spoke up, but most compared it to the Bible and said it were just stories.

When I heard native children speaking with Arabic tongue,
I felt sorry for them and ashamed they assimilated.
The media was portraying the influence as an enrichment.

When I was living with them for 5 years,
I seen their backstabbing ways even amongst themselves.
I was silent absorbing their lies and trying to understand their culture.

When I heard people speaking out against the mass immigration;
I seen them being compared to Hitler and fascists.
I spoke up whenever I overheard such comparison

When 911 happened,
I seen their eyes with fear knowing they were the ones to be blamed,
They did not condemn but did condemn all critique on their ways.

When I saw the first riots,
I warned them against it,
They would not listen and continued to distance themselves from us.

When I saw a 12 year old immigrant kid give a homeless money,
I smiled,
Perhaps we can learn from them as well.

When I saw a 14 year old thief in a store terrorize all 35 shoppers
I spoke up,They did nothing,
They followed me once the kid left to thank me for my heroic actions, at that point decided to leave the Netherlands.

When I saw them attack the gays
I did nothing
I already left the Netherlands

When I saw them attack non Muslim houses and establishments
I did nothing,
I already left the Netherlands

When I will see the first attack on a Muslim family
I won't do anything but feel sad for mankind and the family.
They had time enough to change their ways but they didn't

When I will see the first planned European Muslim terror strike
I will watch and cry.
I will be thinking that my words to warn Europeans were ignored.

When I will see the first mass riots against Westerners happen,
I won't do anything but at least I will understand why it happened
They had time enough to change their political decisions

When I will see the first arrests of Muslims and their deportation to Africa
I will be happy and sad.
Sad for European stupidity for not forcing them to change, Happy because our values will be repected.

When I think of the people,
I want them to love but they only seem to hate,
I want them to be free and have no fear of their god
I want them to understand that religion should be kept private
I want them to live in harmony with us but they never wanted to try.

It all just makes me very sad but I will defend my freedom against their hateful religion. Just came back from a Muslim country 2 days ago and again I was confronted with their content of westerners and women. Whomever will disagree with my words, ask yourself how many times you were with Muslims and knew that you were respected and accepted in their group? I was many times and every time I was shocked to listen to their hate against anything non Muslim and their hate against women and homosexuals.I truly believe that if they wouldn't think of me as equal to some extend they would never have spoken the way they did about anything not Muslim. Knowing that very few ever are in the situations I was in I do not condemn the people sticking up for Muslims but they should educate themselves to have an honest opinion on the matter.

All I see is socialist left wing people that see a single group being condemned and that immediately gives them the strange urge to stick up for them out of historical reasons. Perhaps it's time for them to understand why they are singled out and understand their culture. Other than a talk in the local 7/11 or seeing an "intellectual" Mo slim on tv talk his double truth they have no clue of the true nature of their beliefs.

It's all very sad, in the end I want us to live in peace but it just doesn't seem an option as left wing is blind and will never see the truth until they cannot leave their white suburban neighborhoods and it will be too late.

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Awesomed and thought provoking post.
Thank you very much.

The left and right debate is BS. It's divide and qonquer, there is a big grey area that falls in between.

The biggest problem i have with all of this, is that when you say something negative about muslims you get branded a racist. For years the problem here got out of hand and the politicians were too afraid of being labeled a racist to really do anything about it. We got imams here saying all kinds of crazy stuff, even recruiting kids. Nothing gets done about that, but when Wilders speaks his mind he gets sued. Freedom of speech can't be a one-way street.

I have watched the Wilders trial live on tv, and there were some interesting facts from specialists and muslims. For example, the korans in arabic are not the same as the translated versions, the translated ones are softened up a bit. The reason for that, as stated in the trial, is that only true muslims get to know "the plan".
If that is true, it's a bit worrysome.

I have read the koran and while it does strive for islamisation of the world, it also states that in a jihad no women and children can be hurt, no buildings destroyed, even a tree with only one green leaf left must not be harmed. It also states that when a "infidel" surrenders he must not be harmed.

That leads me to believe that this boils down to one thing, power. As you can see in the history of mankind, religion is used and twisted into clever propaganda, just another tool to oppress and aquire power.

I feel that the whole problem in my little country is double standards.
I don't agree with a lot Wilders has to say but he is the only one adressing the problem and making other politicians nervous.
I do think the Netherlands needs to lean a little bit to the right and make people equal again, no double standards.
I don't think Wilders is the way to go because he plays in on the fear thing and whenever someone relies on fear to convince people that his agenda is a good one, something is wrong.

Wilders has put himself in a powerfull position, he "tolerates" this coalition and he can disband it whenever he likes. Expect to see a lot of his legislation and ideas brought to fruition

Old Queen Beatrix is a prominent member of the Bilderberg (Crooks) - Group
Tells me enough

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Larrylove is an interesting example of a left wing extremist who doesn't even realise that the winds of change in Europe have changed direction.

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Thank you.

Off to pick up my little red book and get a redesign done on the sickle and hammer which I intend to plant in my front garden!

reply to post by ollncasino

Left wing extremism is just as dangerous as right wing extremism.

Perhaps that's why Europe is moving away from the left.

Agreed, but there hasn't been an extremist left government in Europe since just after the Berlin Wall came down. We have had a variety of centre right, centre left & coalitions in between. The 1 thing they have had in common, with a couple of notable exceptions, that prove the rule as it were, has been that the centre of European politics is what Americans call "left" & this is most glaringly obvious when you consider the EU.
All the same, despite some instances of genuinely right wing policy, muslim immigration into Europe has been going on since the 70s. Its not the lefts fault, or the rights (assuming anyone believes there is a fault to be blamed for, which I dont), b/c both sides have had their day. If we compare Europe to the USA & bear in mind that, in the same time period, even the most "left leaning" US govts have been what we would call just right of centre, then, if it were the case that the left were responsible for creating an immigration problem, then there should be less of it in the USA. Is there? No. In fact it may even be "worse".
In reality, when times are good, few people care. When they're bad, its human instinct to band together, excluding "them", for fear of losing out. Still, there are plenty of our instincts which we use our intellect to curtail in order to live together. Sadly, it often takes a painful lesson to teach us that those instincts must be governed &, in the meantime, most of us will not even be aware of just how much they are influencing us. This leaves us wide open to be exploited by those who do know whats what.
Wilders is such a man. He may not even know it; he may have learned the art of rabble rousing unconsciously by trial & error. Still, we Europeans have had 3 painfull lessons: WW1, WW2 & Bosnia.