We voted out left because they were thieves, widespread corruption everywhere and short-sighted deficit spending like there was no tomorrow. But our left is atypical, its more like national-social democracy, combining both republican policy regarding personal rights with democratic economic policy, to put it in american sense. We do not have standard liberal-left party in Slovakia.

Ignoring problems caused by immigration and abuse of overgrown social system, and rising debts would be major causes in other states IMHO. When you see people on child benefits having 8 children and income greater than you payed to them from your taxes simply for procreating, and if you dare to criticize them you are labeled a racist, that seriously shakes your beliefs in sanity of european left, especially if you see the rising deficits. I consider myself social liberal/libertarian and in America I would probably vote democrats, but this is just too much. What Europe needs now is a big dose of financial conservativism and a little bit of healthy xenophobia and euroskepticism. I am glad Europe voted like it voted

Here in england its because labour didnt live up to its promises. Those that claimed to be the economoic equalisers failed to regulate the banking system amd wasted taxes paying rediculus sallarys to council heads and NHS upper managment; directly in contridiction of their supposed ideology. The people wanted a change, any change and ended up jumping out of the fire and into the frying pan. Just my take on the situation

Well, social democratic parties were never "left" parties, they just said so. They were just put there to appease the masses and soak up all the left leaning citizens of their respective countries from "approaching" the iron curtain or simply reinvent communism.

Remember they are all elected, and as the old anarchist saying goes if elections could change anything, they would have been banned.

They never were nor will be left, they were the feel good, play by the book, and dont break any eggs, parties for the middle class, and now this era ends.

Originally posted by LeftWingLarry


Do you believe this is a temporary setback, or is this really the end of European Social Democracy?

This is not a question of believe and it shouldn’t be a question of believe.
By simple observation we can see that the new economical reality dictates new rules, and Europe is not really will be in center of this new post-industrial reality

Originally posted by Maslo
We voted out left because they were thieves, widespread corruption everywhere and short-sighted deficit spending like there was no tomorrow. But our left is atypical, its more like national-social democracy, combining both republican policy regarding personal rights with democratic economic policy, to put it in american sense. We do not have standard liberal-left party in Slovakia.

Ignoring problems caused by immigration and abuse of overgrown social system, and rising debts would be major causes in other states IMHO. When you see people on child benefits having 8 children and income greater than you payed to them from your taxes simply for procreating, and if you dare to criticize them you are labeled a racist, that seriously shakes your beliefs in sanity of european left, especially if you see the rising deficits. I consider myself social liberal/libertarian and in America I would probably vote democrats, but this is just too much. What Europe needs now is a big dose of financial conservativism and a little bit of healthy xenophobia and euroskepticism. I am glad Europe voted like it voted

edit on 7/10/10 by Maslo because: (no reason given)

Quoted for truth.
If only the Americas would adopt similar measures, we're going to get screwed by immigration as-well.