A Daunting Question: Could 9/11 Have Been Done, For YOUR Benefit ?? Is The NWO Working For YOU ??

A government is a body that has the authority to make and the power to enforce laws within a civil, corporate, religious, academic, or other organization or group. In its broadest sense, "to govern" means to administer or supervise, whether over a state, a set group of people, or a collection of assets.

Our Government represents us, and carries out actions in our name.

Most people want to believe there are figures hiding behind curtains who pull strings from afar, when the answer could be much more simple. A few public figures have been brave enough to state the real reason for the Iraq war ..... OIL. Yet there is still speculation on how exactly we benefit. here's one idea.

"Although completely suppressed in the U.S. media, the answer to the Iraq enigma is simple yet shocking - it an an oil CURRENCY war. The Real Reason for this upcoming war is this administration's goal of preventing further OPEC momentum towards the euro as an oil transaction currency standard. However, in order to pre-empt OPEC, they need to gain geo-strategic control of Iraq along with its 2nd largest proven oil reserves. This lengthy essay will discuss the macroeconomics of the "petro-dollar" and the unpublicized but real threat to U.S. economic hegemony from the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency. "

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I believe it's probably common knowledge now that the real reason we are in Iraq is for Oil. Yet could there be another reason ??

We are in the grips of a terrible reccession, many believe that wars in fact boost economies. Could the Iraq war been an effort to not only secure oil deposits but offset the coming recession ??

""Yesterday President Bush chalked up another reason to justify the war in Iraq: it helps the U.S. economy. In fact, the President believes fighting in Iraq has “cushioned the blow of the subprime mortgage crisis”, according to an article in today’s Financial Times. The President said the Iraq war helps “because we’re buying equipment and people are working.”"

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... And as we know now, 9/11 was the springboard for this war, which continues now, ... to this day. Would we have gone to war if we knew the truth ?? Even if we believed it was for the benefit for the country ?? Absoloutely Not.

Perhaps the government see's us as frightened cattle who need to be herded and misled in order to be protected, and even though the means are unjust, .... they justify the end.

So while we think some hidden bankers, or dark lords orchestrated 9/11 for personal gain, ..... was the real reason for 9/11 much more unbelievable ?? That it was used to create a war which would ultimately benefit the citizens of the united states ??

When a governement does something for their people, in spite of them, ..... do the people share responsibility ??

When a war is waged for OIl, and people turn a blind eye to it while they drive their SUV's to the corner market for a pack of gum, .... do they share responsibility ??

People always refer to "TPTB" or the Government, but have we ever considered the possiblity that these " powers" are working for us ?? Keeping their work secret because they believe the populace would frown upon their methods.

What if the NWO agenda, if it exists is designed to benefit us ?? to unite us ?? Yet the absence of a bigger picture frightens us and causes uncertainty ??

While its easier to blame "them", should we be blaming ourselves ?

Though I don't have much experience on 9/11 in general, ... I'd like to hear other's thoughts on this,

-- Perception is Reality

reply to post by IntastellaBurst


TPTB dont give a two craps about you and me. Do you think its money to save the country or to save their asses?

These people dont got to court, and when youre ready to take them, thirty years have gone past ad they are laughing from inside the grave.

save my bank account by killing 10,000 of my brothers and sisters? Thanks, but I'll take the economic collapse.
War is about Greed. Always has been, and always will be. Life is the most precious commodity.

reply to post by network dude


Perhaps they believe the needs of the many outweigh the needs, .... or in this case, .. lives of a few ??

This is just a theory, yet I'd like to ask 9/11 and war experts how plausible it is ??

I see where you're coming from, however a "Government" should be a representative of the "PEOPLE".

So, if that is the case, would any empathetic, moral, intelligent citizen agree to the slaughter of a million people (if you count all victims in Iraq and Afghanistan of the war on terror), Draconian laws that are intended to control us and the polarisation of Muslim and Western ideals?

No way.

If the Governments at the time took it upon themselves to carry out these acts (they did BTW), then they have committed crimes against humanity, their own Constitutions and the People they govern.

They belong in Jail.

There is NO EXCUSE, even if they acted for on our behalf.

"Quod est necessarium est licitum"......"that which is necessary is legal", it wouldn't work for you or I, why them??

All the best, Kiwi

reply to post by kiwifoot


But what if the people don't know whats best for the people !! Your talking about a world where a vice presidential candidate thought the world was six thousand years old !!

Perhaps by ensuring our survival, they ensure the survival of the Government, and ultimately themselves. One cannot exist without the other.

Though you do make some VERY, good points, .....

In fact they are a little too good .....

" Stella radio's the base"

reply to post by IntastellaBurst


I only know whats best for my family......

What is this?? Some government agent trying to see if this explanation will fly with the sheeple?

Frankly, as conspiracy theories go this has to be the most ridiculous. If they had a decent agenda, there are many, many ways in which they could have gone about changing things. Mass murder is not one of them.

The very fact that you could think it's acceptable, excusable even, for US to go and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people in another country just to bolster it's own failing economy, is shocking to me.

There is one simple, non-violent way to improve the US economy. Kill the Federal Reserve. That is the only action which would serve the people of the US, taxes would disappear, economy would thrive.

Why don't they do it? Because they are criminals and complicit in keeping the people as slaves.

reply to post by wcitizen


No, ... No, ... not an agent, though I saw that one coming.

I never said it was acceptable or excuseable, ..... its simply a question, ... a theory, no matter how unlikely or unplausible you have to admit there remains a possibility, no matter how small.

I'm simply arguing the pro side of the argument.

George W. Bush said history would judge him kindly and I think that he probably had the war for resources in mind when he said it. He would undoubtedly agree with the OP's post.

The fact remains that we are past the end of the era in the world's history where big questions are settled by the military. The world as a whole needs to face and solve the problem of dwindling resources together, peacefully. The planet as a chess game with winner take and control all, as a final result, is no longer a viable option.

The people, like George W. Bush, who drove the US economy into virtual bankruptcy should have their licences to govern suspended. They are not up to the job.

The same people who backed Bush, backed Hitler. The same class that has presumed to decide the direction of world history for generations, destroyed an entire culture during WW1.

Their moment is over. The new "Hundred Years War" they precipitated in 1914 is almost at an end.

It's time for these people to go to jail for their crimes. It's time for humanity to find another, a peacful way, to deal with problems. We don't want those people, the NWO, acting "on our behalf" any more.

They don't have the talent for it. They are "useless eaters" in Henry Kissinger's novel turn of phrase. It's time for them to face the music. Time to go to jail.

reply to post by IntastellaBurst


Actually, I agree with most of what you explained.

Good thread Intastella

Cheers
Shane

reply to post by shamus78


The people who condone mass murder, could in fact be future potential mass murderer's!

(Oops, it was meant for the OP)

What are you talking about ??

Who said anything about Condoning mass murder !!! I certainly didn't, nore did I say the Government was ever "right".

It's all in the wording ... " perhaps they did this because" " perhaps they believe".

Personal attacks are not cool, as I will state again, I am exploring WHY the goverment did this, ... or if they did this , ..... not wether it is right or wrong.

I am exploring a theory, and arguing its "Pro".

Shamus, your a buddy, thank you for blindly agreeing with me .... LoL.

reply to post by IntastellaBurst


I didnt say you did.....

Originally posted by network dude
save my bank account by killing 10,000 of my brothers and sisters? Thanks, but I'll take the economic collapse.
War is about Greed. Always has been, and always will be. Life is the most precious commodity.

Yes, is is about greed, you called that one. The Bankers make loans to both factions, they do thing to start the fighting. After all is said and done, no matter who wins, the Banker always wins. If a country refuses to pay back the loans, the Marines arrive to enforce it. Saddam refused to repay what he borrowed to fight Iran, look what supposedly happened to him? The Banking Cartel, the Elite Rich are our real enemies. They are the head of the snake. And one more thing, it isn't about money, they have all that they will ever need....it is about POWER.

My thoughts on real reason for 9/11

The terrorist we face today, how smart are they? It can be assumed that Bin Ladens main goal is to destroy America. So how could just one attack of terror accomplish this? Well what if he saw it as a way to jump start an economic downturn that could ultimately make us declare bankruptcy. The attacks on 9/11 were horrible and uncalled for but did he know what the long term effects would have on our country, was it all part of his plan? He is responsible for the deployment of our troops and the huge price tag along with it. Did he know that he would ruin the airline industry as well? One thing he does know and that we need to understand, he is virtually unstoppable. I personally believe it would be nearly impossible to put a stop to Bin Laden and his operation, they live in almost inhabitable terrain, and they are virtually invisible. I believe Bin Laden knows the effectiveness of using small radical groups to fight his battle. Do we really know anything about where and how many terrorist cells he has under his command? They are only going to grow as time moves on and things are going to get worse. He does not value the lives of his troops and people as we would, and he has no respect for warfare, so why would someone fight an opponent that is going to fight dirty? Bin Laden has lots of resources which make him more powerful then you know. Do we really know who is in our country? Do you not think Bin Laden knows about the millions of Mexican immigrants that pour into our country illegally, what if they weren’t all Mexicans I mean seriously what’s stopping him from sending his “troops” through with the Mexicans.
Along with the possibility of having extremist sneaking into the country look at what he has done to the airline industry. TSA has started new controversial security measures that introduce the usage of full body scanners. If you do not comply with the fully body scanners then you can receive an intrusive pat-down. Both techniques violate our rights as citizens, however since these things are for the safety of our country they become a necessity. As an inspiring airline pilot I have done my research on the industry and I still am unsure if going into this career is a safe choice. Ultimately I feel that it is impossible to stop all of the terror attacks that are plotted so it’s only a matter of time when the next one will happen. With the new ink bomb plot terrorist seem to be getting very creative with the development and packaging of the bombs, so do you think it is possible to stop all bombs that go through airport screening? Even if there was a way to stop all the bombs, what would the people being protected have to sacrifice for this to happen? I believe the only things that could happen to an airliner via terrorist attack is it could blow up, it could be used as a trajectory (9/11), and it could be used for leverage. Is Bin Laden creating a diversion by having us beef up airport security and focus on the airways for impending terrorist attacks? Because my beliefs are that if you shut down the aviation route for terrorist then it will only create a new avenue to inflict terror. Is Bin Laden smart enough to destroy a country through fear and terror or is there a second phase that is much more devastating? Clearly that is what he is trying to do, strike fear in the hearts of Americans and cause dis-unity. How long will it take to win the battle against terrorism or has it already been lost? I’ve heard that question many times but never like the responses I’ve heard. I believe it is a trick question personally because you cannot fight terror conventionally and if you try to you will be fighting a never ending battle. And has the war already been lost, well I believe it has and it hasn’t. Think about how much money our already broke nation spends on keeping troops deployed. Think about how much money our government spends on new technology to advance the war and prevent terrorism. However I believe it is far from over therefore we have only just begun losing. You can only lose if you have something to lose. Grant it that we haven’t seen a terror attack since 9/11 in the US, I still believe we are becoming too weak financially to keep fighting the way our nation is. Look at the snowball effects 9/11 has had on our economy the last several years. Going back to a question I asked earlier, Is this all part of Osama’s plan? How have our lives really been impacted by 9/11 (financially, emotionally, or physically)? How much more money will we spend fighting and will it make us more venerable to other attacks like say from North Korea?
Why would Osama use terrorism in the first place? He clearly has loyal soldiers who are trained and prepared to fight conventionally, so why would he use terror tactics instead of military invasion? Well assuming you already know the more obvious reasons why he used the tactic of terror on 9/11 I want to talk about some more indebt reasons why he might have. First I believe you have to understand religion and how it characterizes people. We all came from somewhere right? Your last name, it can tie you to your immediate family, but more or less your part of a way bigger family in a sense. The roots of your family’s history tree will show you where you really came from, in the aspects of region of the world and religion. The way you look physically came from your family’s gene pool; therefore you can make a rough assumption that people resemble a particular region of the world. My views on religion are simple they categorize people in groups based on their beliefs. With that being said, can you see what Osama might be trying to ultimately do? Well if you can’t this is what I think, it can be said that they are all religious extremist because they are willing to take the lives of others along with their own, all for the name of their god. Understanding that terrorism in this case can be directly linked to a specific religion is something to remember as you read on. Ultimately if terrorism is to continue as it is, people will start becoming very prejudice towards Middle Easterners. If the level of terrorism gets too high and out of control, I believe profiling people will be an effective way to control it. If Americans become fearful of their lives because terrorist attacks are possible is anyone really going to trust the Middle Eastern guy riding in the back of the plane or the guy driving your taxi? Here is a side though, one of the most infamous attacks the terrorist use are car bombs think about how many taxi’s there are that are driven by Middle-Eastern people. Do you get it yet? It’s only a matter of time if things keep at today’s pace before people will only start to trust the people of the same religion, race, and nationality. So then where does it stop? Where do you draw the line? Could you imagine the world in which you can’t even trust anyone who resembles a Middle-Easterner? And how far could a nation go in fighting terror, could a nation ultimately revoke citizenships and deport all people who look like a terrorist? How long do we have before other hate groups and 3rd world countries start to use terrorism themselves? Could it start an epidemic? Could it have been Osama’s goal to make our country as unstable and insecure as possible, while North Korea develops nuclear weapons? Do you really know about our current relationship with North Korea? Well frankly no formal relations exist with that country, did you know on May 27, 2009 North Korea announced that they are no longer bound by the seize-fire agreement we had with them after the Korean-War. Well I don’t know about you but it’s starting to add up for me, I believe North Korea has intentions to launch nuclear weapons at us, if they weren’t are enemies why wouldn’t they sign a peace treaty, let alone renew a seize fire agreement. So what if Bin Laden’s job was to start the whole thing off with 9/11 to send a message and provoke a fight? Thus it would put our country to war and help start a long recession that would put our Nation in extreme debts. Eventually leading to a state of nuclear war with North Korea.

Well that is difficult to tell. Would we be better off with or without them? To start a war it wasnt necessary to kill 3000 civillians. Then there is the shadow goverment (continuity of goverment body not waiting for elected officials being wiped out), the fact that bills are being bassed to limit consitutional rights and why would they be worried about gunowners if they are on our side? However that is a question that needs being elaborated on. So far Israel is one of the primary gainers. The increased oil output will of course allow china to motorize more if its nation. The reason that they were peeing their pants over OPEC accepting the Euro I doubt. The same people who control the Dollar control about every other currency. If they dont want oil to be traded in Euro then no Euros are sent. The idea that bankers, who basically control the economy, need wars to make money is ridiculous. They control the economy whichever way they want.

I would hypoteise they crashed the job market in America to motivate more kids to join up the armed forces. In 2006 2007 the armed forces were worried about the quality of soldiers they had to accept, among which gangmembers. Later that year the job market began to crash. Global recession? In Germany the job market has not been so good in decades, yet in America many kids have nowhere to turn but the military. Its more like, be a good sheeple and go to war, we tanked the economy anyway and if you are a got sheeple, you might come back to an improved economy after we start lending more money again.

Then there is the way america tested nuclear fallout on its own soldiers. If you havent been abudcted and proped by nazi scientists under mkultra it was a sweet deal for you so far no question.

Of course many corporations stand to profit from the war effort. But again, if you are on a certain position on the hirarchie, you issue money as you see fit. You dont work to make money, you hand out money to make people work for you. To you its just printed paper avaiable in masses.

The King knows best has been used to justify monarchies, but I seem to remember Rome having been better off as a republic, while its transgression to an empire was the beginning of its end.

How much of the money made from the war effort will trickle down to you and me? Not so much, the rich get richer. But would we be better or worse of, that needs to be elaborated.

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reply to post by cained


I see you're a new member so , welcome to ATS . Friendly suggestion ... If you could use paragraphs , it would help in reading your posts . I got about 2/3rds of the way through and had to take a break . It makes for a difficult read .

Maybe we should keep elaborating on the subject. How would have things evolved if there would not have been the 9/11 operation?

Monitoring citizens, usurpation of constitutional protections, debt the size of GDP, war mongering, economic strife.... If they are on our side, they are doing a really poor job, I say we fire the lot, whoever they are.