Pedophiles - 'Brand' them like the animals they are

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posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 08:54 AM
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Ok, I think I know what you mean. No, being a pedo doesn't mean murder, but there are pedo's that do murder.
Does that answer your question?




posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 09:15 AM
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Ok, I think I know what you mean. No, being a pedo doesn't mean murder, but there are pedo's that do murder.
Does that answer your question?


Splendid... yes.

Being a Pedophile means being sexually attracted to or having sex with Human Beings who have not reached Puberty.


This is why the Phrase "Non-Pedophelic Child Molesters" seemed Interesting to me.


Is one still a Child, after they have reached Puberty?

Where do we Draw the line?

And Why?

Average Age of Losing Virginity in the United States: 16.4

That means that the INDIVIDUAL AGE is like a Bell Curve that centers upon 16.4 with some being at a higher age, and some being at a lower age.


How many of them are Pedophiles, and how many of them are Normal?

This seems like a Grey area that could be Exploited to enforce the Federal Legislation of Reproduction.


You got your EXTREMES, yes....

But the legislation, as I have seen how people want it applied... would arrest FAR MORE "Just out of the Age Range" boy/girl pairings, than it would protect younglings from Evil Predators.

And this is what Troubles me.... it looks like the Legislative equivalent of a Wedge.


Starting out with the BEST INTENTIONS.... but leaving room to Grow into Federally Established Biological Tyranny.

-Edrick (The path to [snip], paved, yada, yada.)
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posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 09:35 AM
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Silo, let me ask you this:
Do you think BRANDING a child predator is going to STOP THEM? Do you think theyre gonna say, I'm branded, I have to stop.
The answer is a resounding NO. If theyre gonna prey on a child, theyre gonna do it, brand or not.
People say molesters cannot be cured, I say thats incorrect, ANY behavior or thought process can be changed thru training or reenforcement.
With the advances in microsurgery and research into how the brain works, one day, maybe we can find whats wrong with a child predators brain and correct it. Until then, I say we police our children better, watch what they do, whom theyre doing it with and the people theyre around, be it relatives, siblings, teachers, clergy, etc. instead of p[utting them in front of the TV, xbox or computer and not bothering with them.
Quick Question, and I know you probably wont answer, but who was the predator in your situation, a stranger or someone you or your family knew?



posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 10:54 AM
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I speak from the prospective of someone that was physically, sexually and mentally abused for 10 years.

Are you human?

I'm not defending anyone that would abuse a child, but god your mind set reminds me of a medieval dungeon master, someone who would delight in putting someone on the rack or wheel.

To me your post was most offensive and scary as to how any rational human could stoop to a mind set level like this.

Granted something must be done about pedohiles, but both branding and what you suggested are simply barbaric and inhumane solutions.

I was hoping humanity would have learned and grew away from the dark ages to now, but I see some of us still have a long way to go.

It's akin to the fanatical Muslims in the Middle East.

One post suggested neurosurgery or finding out the root cause and going at it from a logical & medical point.

When you torture or agree to torture, you then have sunk to the exact same level as the "evil" person you are torturing, even if they "deserve" it. You then also become "evil"

Torturing is not the answer.

“The healthy man does not torture others - generally it is the tortured who turn into torturers” - Carl Jung

The only ones that would be punished would be the person that couldn't afford a good lawyer and or PR Person.


The thing about Pedophilia is it holds the most shame therefore it has the most control over judges and lawyers, and Queen's councils and politicians and ministers. If you take Gerald Ford, he was actually Lynch King who was a porn king, so he was under a completely false name, false history and identity, through porn he managed to become the President of the United States. Greg Hallett Begins 11/12: Interview with Dr. James Fetzer, PhD - NATO drug runs from Afghanistan

In June of 1987, Jozeph Verbeeck, head of the Belgian national office of UNICEF, was arrested for his involvement in a large-scale child pornography and pedophile ring. Jozeph Verbeeck abused his influential position in UNICEF in order to procure children for wealthy clients across Europe. Some of the children exploited by Verbeeck were as young as eight-months old.

Well, every darksider I ever met was either gay or lesbian, at the highest levels or in government. When you choose anti-life, everything becomes backward. A dookey-boy is a person who has sex with other men, for the sole purpose of destroying the inner spirit of the victim. A dooker, or dookey-boy. Most catholic priests are dookey-boys. CIA, is the creation center of these types. Top of Hollywood? Cruise, Kidman, and all the rest? Gays and lesbians, CIA them all. Illuminist, all. Mulholland Drive, dude. www.whale.to...

When a man sodomizes a child at three, the child bonds to that man as if he were their father, and when he’s a man of the cloth, of the Church, the child bonds to the Church, too. This sodomy thing has been around for hundreds of years. Ignatius Loyola, founder of the Jesuits, was a Catholic mystic; he had to have been a sodomized one. He was the guy who headed up the Inquisition to persecute those who didn’t adhere to the tenets of the Catholic faith. Terribly cruel! How could you be that cruel if you didn’t have the sodomy rage? The torture they put people through! Later, Joseph Mengele developed the programming and brought it up to another level. He was a Catholic alter boy. I think he was also a Rothschild and a Jesuit. The founder of the Illuminati was Adam Weishaupt, trained as a Jesuit. Deprogrammer Interview with Marion Knox: In the House of the Strongman, Sodomy is the Key - by Elana Freeland

The Illuminati believe that they can suck the life spirit out of a person through intercourse with what they call the Eye of Horus (the anus). This is why the leaders of this World Order (such as George Bush, Bill Clinton, and tens of thousands of others) are into sodomy, they are trying to vampirize all the years of life out of the victim to gain a longer life. Some of the sad child victims, who have been kept exclusively for this purpose do look like the life force has been sucked out of them. Sodomy has its own secret chamber on the cabalistic tree of life. Deeper Insights into the Illuminati Formula by Fritz Springmeier & Cisco Wheeler

[2003] Tony Blair Caught Protecting Elite Paedophile Ring By Mike James Thomas Hamilton was the centre of a paedophile ring in Scotland that procured boys to people of the amongst the highest rank, and Tony Blair [and] Jack Straw covered this up by the Official Secrets Act ....the Blair government, which has already issued a D-Notice to gag the press from revealing the names of known paedophiles within the British executive, including at least two senior ministers; and the case highlights the government's antipathy toward the Sunday Herald and its brand of independent journalism that has, among other things, exposed the role played by the domestic security agency, MI5, in helping the IRA to carry out terrorist atrocities.
....Some commentators, mindful that one of Tony Blair's closest confidante's is a practising paedophile, are even suggesting that this particular scandal, and not Blair's repeated lies and fabricated reports in regard to Iraq, may well prove the downfall of a government mired in sleaze and corruption. The Sunday Times is reported to have obtained an FBI list of Labour MPs who have used credit cards to pay for internet child pornography, and Blair has responded by imposing a massive news blackout, failing however to stop the arrest of one of his most important aides, Phillip Lyon.

So, I sat down with Ted Kennedy, and Ted was right next to me. And he said, "George, you're going to love this job. We're going to send you out to all the state Democratic functions. You're really good with money, and you raise money for the National Democratic Party.” And he said, "Then you're going to meet some real foxy ladies."
Well, they all think that way, frankly. It isn't just Ted, they all do. So I... and just coincidentally, my daughter walks in. Now, my daughter is a very attractive young lady.
Ted goes, "Wow, I have to go to bed with that."
And I said, "No, Ted. That's my daughter, and she's fourteen."
His response back to me: "I don't care." -- George Green interview


Source: www.whale.to...


It is the rich and powerful men and women, that practice this on a large scale and they will never be prosecuted, they are above the law.

The FRANKLIN SCANDAL is the story of a nationwide pedophile ring that pandered children to a cabal of the rich and powerful. The rings pimps were a pair of Republican powerbrokers who used Boys Town as a pedophiliac reservoir, had access to the highest levels of our government, and connections to the CIA.

The power elite sating their appetite for forbidden fruit via pedophilia and pedophiliac sadism is an evil that dates back millennia: Roman emperor Tiberius reportedly indulged in pedophilia and then murdered the children. Moreover, pedophile rings linked to the powerful have recently been exposed in Belgium, Portugal, Chile, and Mexico.

The FRANKLIN SCANDAL will be the first book to tell the complete tale of a power elite pedophile ring in the US and also of the cover-up of its heinous crimes. Various news organizations have attempted to break aspects of this story, but the reports have either been ignored or mysteriously shelved. Major news agencies, including ABC, have backed away from pursuing this story; conversely, CBS abetted its cover-up. Its obvious that very powerful people have a vested interest in safeguarding this secret.

Very interesting video.




I would suggest anyone that has ridiculed David Icke, Brice Taylor or Cathy O'Brien might want to reconsider their skepticism, as it appears the real pedophiles (large scale) are our elite. We are just now finding out that maybe the above mentioned people might have been trying to warn us (more than a decade ago) how far reaching this is.

Thanks for the Memories by Brice Taylor talks about the connection between mind control and pedophilia.
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posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 02:28 PM
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Then they would just have kids and molest them.



posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 03:08 PM
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I hate the way this site (and most of society) misappropriates the word "pedophile"

The people you are describing? The ones who molest (or do more to) children? They're called Child Molesters, and less than 1% of them are actual pedophiles. The rest are just sad little people who couldn't get any from adults.

So tell me how branding them and making it so no adult will ever sleep with them again solves the problem?
It would just make it worse. They would have to resort to KIDNAPPING to get what they wanted.



In case anyone's wondering, here's what a real "pedophile" is like.
They are both physically and ROMANTICALLY interested in children. Children meaning pre-pubescent. Under 10 usually. Those who "molest" teenagers are certainly not pedophile, they are simply desperate. I personally think the terminology should be change: Molest a child, sexually assault a teenager.
They spend their days agonizing internally about their feelings, because they are fully aware that they cannot have a physical relationship with a child. Given a situation in which they will never ever get caught, they still will hold themselves back, because they know that intercourse can physically damage a small child. Most of them do not believe an emotionally intimate relationship is emotionally damaging to a child. There is no way to disprove them, because all research is with forced, non-consensual relationships, or ones by family members who coerced the child. There is also no way to prove it to be correct, as laws wouldn't allow it.
They almost never resort to following their urges. They often date young (legal aged) physically immature looking women to satisfy their cravings. Those with a small physical frame, including small breasts, those who have a young looking face, those who are very short.
Many do not even own underaged pornography, because they do not know if it was consensual or not, and they are just as worried about child endangerment and children's welfare as the rest of the population.

In some cases, pedophile-like feelings regarding minors is caused by an early discovery of sexuality. They develop urges towards their peers at a young age, and those urges remain until adulthood. This is not always the way it happens, nor does an early discovery of sexuality mean that the person will become a pedophile. It is just one possible explanation.

To put things more simply, people are misunderstood about the meaning of the word. It means those who want to pursue a relationship with children, not just those who want to rape or molest them. These are not things that adults who LOVE children would do, just as it is not an action that a man who loves his girlfriend will do. People need to learn to think of it more in the way that it actually is, rather than the way fear-mongers say it is. Gay men don't just want to have sex with other men. They want to cultivate a loving relationship with another man. This is the way that a true, diagnosed pedophile feels.

So if there were a way to legitimately discover and "brand all the pedophiles" you would be hurting lots of innocent people. People who have never (and will never) harm a child. You cannot claim that they will eventually be a danger, because again a ridiculously small percentage of child molesters are actual pedophiles. Child molestation and pedophilia are not new concepts, they have been around for decades, and those who were pedophiles in the 1950s have almost all kept themselves from acting out on those urges. The current generation will most likely be able to do the same.

Pedophiles are not the problem here, because such a small amount of them end up having and sexual relationship with a child. The problem is the other 99% of molesters. The problem is in those people who couldn't care less for the well-being of the child and take what they want regardless. And those are not the people who, by name, are lovers of children.


And if you really wanted to do something to stop the sexual abuse of children, it wouldn't be those convicted that make up the largest population of abuse. The largest percentage of those who have been abused were abused by family members whom they never reported. It would be education to families to notice the warning signs. It would be special classes encouraging very young students to speak to someone at the school if they are being molested. But people oppose young sexual education, and people oppose making new families take classes even if they will protect children. Regardless, it is the only thing that would truly cut down on the sexual abuse of children.



posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 03:16 PM
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I can't believe how many people in here have instantly resorted to "Lob off their heads!"

"I don't understand this, I don't want to understand this; F$^& knowledge, I want to kill them all!"

You've all been listening to George Bush way too much!

How much more will you tip the scales of sex/choice vs. life/death?

To me, pedophiles are just rapists. Disgusting perverts, not because they are sexually attracted to children, I'm positive that is beyond their control, but because they force sex upon those that they engage in it with. It is a psychological disorder, if you actually think we should retaliate with violence, you are aiding a modern witch hunt -- nothing else. The state protects child molesters because extremist morons like you would actually kill these people if you found out where they lived, and they have the right to live -- the state recognizes it and protects them. Don't blame the government for your inadequacy to protect your children while you sit on an online forum at 6:00 in the afternoon while your child runs around the neighborhood "with their friends"! Whose problem is it? Open your eyes; deny ignorance.
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posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 03:26 PM
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I do not want these offenders contributing to the gene pool. I do not like that their numbers seem to be increasing at a horrible rate. These monsters keep the cycle going - I am of the opinion they need to be eliminated because they can not be cured and they can not function in a normal society. Children are to be protected. I have no sympathy for someone who is so totally sick in mind to hurt one of our innocents. I am a parent and I am protective.



posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 03:40 PM
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Being a bad person is not genetic.
Their numbers are not increasing, the reports are increasing. If they are increasing, it is at a consistent rate with the population growth.
Your opinion that they "cannot be cured" is not a medical one, and is therefore invalid when discussing an implementation of a new law. They do function in a normal society.

If you are a parent, you should be aware that more incidents of sexual abuse happen by close relative or family friend than by stranger. This fact has not changed. The number of children who get attacked and molested by a stranger every year is minuscule. The number of children who get repeatedly molested and sexually abused by someone they already know is enormous. Strangers are not the danger. Teachers in charge of your students, others who work in places your children go to, they are not the danger. Statistically speaking, you either are the danger or are married to it. Or it is a brother of you or your partner. Or the father of you or your partner. Or a close friend of you or your partner.
Your child has the same chance of being molested by a stranger as they have of being struck by lightning. The people who do this are bad, but they are not truly a danger to society. They are a danger to a couple hundred or less children a year.
The real dangers? They never get convicted. They will never get the branding proposed here. They will continue to abuse and either the child will be too afraid to tell anyone, or if they are young they will often not know that it is wrong and they have to tell someone. Or the child will (as many cases go) tell their mother. Their mother will then refuse to accept that it is happening, call the child a liar, and go back to their everyday business. Worst case? The mother cuts whoever the danger is out of their life forever. It does not get reported to authorities. They do not get punished.
They are the danger. Not people who run over and fondle a child and then run away. The ones who sneak into their room late at night, whisper that they love them, and proceed to do something nobody who loves a child would do to them.



posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 03:44 PM
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I vote kill them so they can't reproduce.



posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 03:49 PM
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So you vote to kill your own son if he becomes a convicted child molester?



posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 03:53 PM
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Have you ever been associated with a child who has been a victim? Have you seen first hand what happens to them for the rest of their lives? I do not care for the judicial system because it does not help. I do not care for religious organizations who preach forgiveness and counseling. I see the hurt and I see the pain and I see the monsters who are real and who keep on doing the hurt. I do not want to be preached to about how we as a society should handle these monsters. If you had a child hurt, believe me, you would not take the stance that you now have. Wise up, learn. Political correctness can kill and cripple. I am well aware how the percentages show that it is usually family members who do the damage. They should not add to the gene pool (if you can catch my drift!!!)



posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 03:55 PM
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You bet 'cha.



posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 03:58 PM
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While you are at it, why not kill the parents because apparently they produce pedophiles? If you produce pedophile, why can't we cut you off to prevent further reproductions? Where does it end?



posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 04:08 PM
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You know, Deaf Alien has a point. Since you OBVIOUSLY think that child molestation is an inherited trait, why not kill their parents too? And their children!

I have and do know victims. They have all been hurt by family members. None of the people that hurt them have been convicted of any illegal activity.
Why, has your child been molested by a stranger? Odd, because there are usually less than 100 cases of those a year in the US.


And you don't know me, but I can assure you that every time I read something, I am completely in the position of the person who has been hurt. I know the pain of sexual abuse, because I have the superpower of empathy. I also, however, live by facts.
The FACT is that child molesters that get caught are generally of the Stranger variety. Either that, or the Teacher/other position of non-related authority, but those are very rare in the case of actual children, generally it is teens who consented.
The FACT is that most victims were victimized by a family member.
The FACT is that those victimizers are almost never put on trial for their crimes.

And therefore the FACT is that killing child molesters will not stop child molestation, or even put a significant dent in it.

Another FACT? Child Molesters are not pedophiles. It has been proven by psychological examination of offenders that about 1% or less of child molesters are pedophiles. So no. Branding all the pedophiles will not stop child molestation. It will create many deaths of many completely innocent people.
If you can tell me that you do not know a single "normal" person who has fantasized about someone they shouldn't have, then you will be a liar.



posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by BiohazardsBack
I hate the way this site (and most of society) misappropriates the word "pedophile"


...do you really HATE the misappropriation or did you just misappropriate the word hate and you really mean dislike or dont approve of or that it irks the snot out of you?...


Originally posted by BiohazardsBack
The ones who molest (or do more to) children? They're called Child Molesters,


...agreed...


Originally posted by BiohazardsBack
and less than 1% of them are actual pedophiles.


...says who?... pedophilia activists?... they dont count...


Originally posted by BiohazardsBack
The rest are just sad little people who couldn't get any from adults.


...ridiculous...


Originally posted by BiohazardsBack
here's what a real "pedophile" is like. They are both physically and ROMANTICALLY interested in children.


...that may apply to a few but it doesnt apply to all pedophiles - because - just like every other grouping of people, pedophilic profiles fall into a bell curve... there is no one way about them, not even that they always prefer sex with children to sex with adults...


Originally posted by BiohazardsBack
Those who "molest" teenagers are certainly not pedophile, they are simply desperate.


...i agree they're not pedophiles - but - i totally disagree that they're simply desperate... again, theres that pesky bell curve...


Originally posted by BiohazardsBack
They spend their days agonizing internally about their feelings, because they are fully aware that they cannot have a physical relationship with a child. Given a situation in which they will never ever get caught, they still will hold themselves back, because they know that intercourse can physically damage a small child.


...thats standard pro-pedophile bs... they're psychopaths (sociopaths at the least) and, therefore, proficient liars and totally without empathy for their victims...


Originally posted by BiohazardsBack
those who were pedophiles in the 1950s have almost all kept themselves from acting out on those urges. The current generation will most likely be able to do the same.


...pure dee bs - straight out of the pedophilic activist's handbook...


Originally posted by BiohazardsBack
Pedophiles are not the problem here, because such a small amount of them end up having and sexual relationship with a child.


...your remark says - the few (according to you) children who ARE screwed by pedophiles are not important, so we should just forget about them because it puts the majority of pedophiles in a bad light...


Originally posted by BiohazardsBack
The problem is the other 99% of molesters. The problem is in those people who couldn't care less for the well-being of the child and take what they want regardless. And those are not the people who, by name, are lovers of children.


...your percentages are nothing but fantasy, as are your other pro-pedophilia comments...



posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 05:11 PM
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"...says who?... pedophilia activists?... they dont count... "
There aren't pedophilia activists. Medical professionals have given child molesters psychological screening and it showed that an enormous majority of them were not pedophiles by definition. They were attracted to adults and not children.

"...that may apply to a few but it doesnt apply to all pedophiles - because - just like every other grouping of people, pedophilic profiles fall into a bell curve... there is no one way about them, not even that they always prefer sex with children to sex with adults... "
By definition, they are. There is a bell curve in adults who are attracted to adults as well. Some just want sex, but most want a legitimate relationship.


"...thats standard pro-pedophile bs... they're psychopaths (sociopaths at the least) and, therefore, proficient liars and totally without empathy for their victims... "
Pedophiles do not have victims. Look into it. Tests have conclusively shown that Child Molesters (at least the ones who are have been convicted of it) are not pedophiles. They are not exclusively, or even partly, attracted to children. They are attracted to victimization, and it is easier to victimize a child than an adult.


"...your remark says - the few (according to you) children who ARE screwed by pedophiles are not important, so we should just forget about them because it puts the majority of pedophiles in a bad light... "
No it doesn't. It says do not persecute against pedophiles when what you're against is molestation, because pedophiles are not the main proponent in molestation. It says judge those who act on their urges, not those who simply have them. I have thought about killing people in times of anger, does that mean I should be given the death sentence for fear that I might murder someone? No. People have urges, and most people resist them. Pedophiles are not the exception.

"...your percentages are nothing but fantasy, as are your other pro-pedophilia comments..."
I was mistaken. The percentage of Child Molesters who fit the diagnosis of Pedophilia is usually 7-8% depending on who you ask. The less than 1% is the amount of Pedophiles who become Child Molesters.


I am neither Pro nor Anti Pedophilia, because it is a sexual preference. I personally do not care what another person's sexual preference is. What I care about is whether their actions are consensual, and legally people under a certain age cannot consent, depending on the area. More than half of the US sets that age at 16 years, some states have it at 17 and some at 18. Canada's age of consent for vaginal and oral intercourse is 16, and anal is 18. However, Canada's vaginal and oral age of consent was 14 years old until 2008.

Advocating prosecution of pedophiles is advocating thought-police. Advocating prosecution of child molesters is advocating law.

Have you ever known a person who is legally defined as a pedophile? Not knowingly, obviously, as you call them sociopaths and psychopaths. But you could. These people keep their urges to themselves out of fear of prosecution or judgment. Very few who have pedophilic urges seek counseling for it, out of fear that they will somehow be in legal trouble for their thoughts. Their thoughts, however, are not illegal. And that is the difference between pedophiles and molesters. Pedophiles have urges, and molesters have actions. You cannot jail someone for urges, and if you could, I would leave whatever country instated those rules and never look back.



posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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The problem is, the general public has a very draconian idea of justice. They would rather see these folks dead than cured, even if these folks are related to them.



posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by BiohazardsBack
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Have you ever known a person who is legally defined as a pedophile? Not knowingly, obviously,


...you're wrong AGAIN - and - that includes your ridiculous notions that pedophiles dont act on their thoughts... if you want to continue to believe that fantasy, go right ahead... i'm sure you've got reasons...



posted on Oct, 8 2010 @ 06:11 PM
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It's not a notion, it's an observable fact. You are the one living in an alternate reality where people have no control over their urges.
Saying that pedophiles will all (or most) act on their urge to have sexual relations with children is equivalent to saying that any man who fantasizes about women is likely to rape one. They are not intrinsically different than other people, they just have a different desire.

They KNOW that consent is not truly possible from young children, and so they do not act upon it, just as most men will not forcibly take sex from a woman, even if placed in a dark soundproof room with one.





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