Contact With Aliens

Originally posted by QuantumDisciple
I thought there woud be a lot more "debunkers" to attack this thread.

It's reasonably easy to debunk. Where are all these supposedly advanced alien civilizations? Where is even one tiny little bit of evidence to show that they exist. Even if we were under some sort of "quarantine," it's hard to imagine that all civilizations agree to quarantine us, or that there wouldn't be the occasional accident revealing the whole plan. We don't even have that.

Maybe it's possible that the universe is such an incredibly harsh and hostile place that it's just by the slimmest of chances that we managed to get this far. And any other civilizations as lucky as us are so few and far between they might as well not even exist. Other than for a philosophical discussion, what does it matter if there is an advanced civilization 4 billion light years away in some distant galaxy that we'll never know about or communicate with?

And along those same lines of thought, I'm thinking that an alien civilization would be completely useless to us unless they're at roughly the same stage of development we are. Too advanced, and they might not even be interested in us, and we might not even be able to comprehend them. Not advanced enough, and we couldn't detect each other.

Either way, we're stuck. Nobody gets a spaceship ride. Nobody gets to be immortal. It's all just a hopeless pipe dream that will never come true.

reply to post by sweet6b9


Wow! You just crammed a lot into a paragraph. I don't really know where to begin. There really isn't much that you mentioned that I haven't already done some research on. You forgot William Cooper! I have read much about the Galactic Federation of Light and the Law of One. I can see the tie in with Billy Meier. I am probably one of few on this site that believes Billy as he is portrayed as a hoax on this site.

***Please(debunkers), I don't wish to turn this into another Billy Meier discussion.***

I've read about the First Contact at Edwards AFB with Eisenhower and deal made with the greys because of it. Also I know of Sneider, Cooper, Maxwell, John Lear, the Dulce Papers. These guys do point towards a sinister alien that is trying to destroy our DNA or at least infuse it theirs.

I am aware of the Kabal and the Templars. In turn, the Templars to Masons.

I maintain that a grand first contact will be from a Type III or even a IV that is here to intervein. This intervention may be from the damage we are about to do to ourselves or for the crimes against the GF of L that these Greys would be commiting.

I can only think that they fly around in things we can see because they want to be seen. Even in teh 1940s and 1950s, after weeding out all the usual garbage can lids, meteorites, sightings of venus, and so on, the military and intelligence agencies still had hundreds of reports of things flying around that they couldn't explain in any conventional terms. There were plenty of people in government even back then who were certain these were ET, no matter what they told the public.

It's very likley they did indeed recover some crashed ships and bodies, although the super-secret records of things like that have almost never been declassified--with a very few exceptions.

Originally posted by QuantumDisciple
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I was hoping for a little more discussion as well. I thought there woud be a lot more "debunkers" to attack this thread. Perhaps they don't know where to even start

It did appear that the the few people who read and bothered replying felt compelled to flag. which was nice.

I might debunk some UFO reports now and again, but not the fact that aliens are here and have been for a long time. I have seen tons of evidence over the years to convince me of that, and not just my own UFO sighting--although that was certainly the real starting point in my case.

reply to post by witness63


Forgive my ignorance of current pop terminology, but what are type I, II, III, civilizations? Seriously, who comes up with this stuff?!

Also, you mentioned that some of these aliens would be rouge... Should Rue Paul be the world's ambassador to ETs?

BTW, have you ever had 'contact with an alien' before?? Hmmmm

Type I, II, III civilizations theory is not a current pop terminology. It is a theory put forth by Russian astronomer Kardashev in 1960s to explain the energy output and usage of potential civilizations. Type I is a civilization which can harvest all the energy of its own planet. Type II is a civilization that can harvest the energy of its star or any star, Type III civilization is beyond anything we can imagine. They can harvest the energy of galaxies. We are currently Type 0 civilization by the way because we can only harvest little of the potential energy existing in our planet.

Based on this, I believe if aliens are visiting us in their ships, they must be a Type I or II civilization. Type III civilization would be so far gone technologically that I doubt they would be interested in Type 0 civilization. I don't think we can even communicate with them.

This meteor essentially reset our evolutionary progress to an extent, perhaps setting us back billions of years on the evolutionary scale.

reply to post by QuantumDisciple


Changing enviromental factors accelerate evolution, so while extinction events wipe out a large number of lifeforms, they also allow others to "step up to the plate". So did that meteor set life on Earth back? or move it forward toward civilization? Nobody can say for sure. Personally I've come to the belief that Earth could of supported many civilizations before Humans. Its really hard to make informed guesses about all of this because we don't know how Earth and the structure of our solar system may differ from our neighbors.

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hi guys I am new and this is my first post. I was wondering if anyone saw this today on foxnews. I hope this reaches the right people. This seems like proof to me that nasa is hiding something and our thoughts are true. www.foxnews.com...

VERY INTERESTING!!!! i like the thoughts. i agree i dont think going at another life form more intelligent than ourselves is very smart, i mean think about it, millions if not billions of years ahead of us in technology i doubt they would use guns. they would probably just play mind games untill we all went crazy an did each other in.

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I couldn't agree more. It could of been a comet that brought the materials for humans to evolve for all we know. I didn't mean for my statement about being set back to sound so factual. As another post had mentioned, we don't even really know what caused the dinosaurs to become extinct. There is just no way to be certain. What is certain is that 10,000 years is not more than a blink of an eye in comparison to the entire age of the Universe. To think all advanced life in the Universe is within a couple hundred years of us seems silly to me.

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somebody should see if that is a thread or not yet.

nice thread

i see a little flaw in this system on classifying alien civilizations.(although it makes a lot of sense) you got to admit that we are a fairly advance race, probably even compared to some other lifeforms, we have advance mechanical knowledge and a little greater understanding of the universe that ourselves. electricity, fire, some firepower, what else.

and even if an alien, or human couldn't make a fraction, near, light or faster that light means of travel, doesn't mean that they couldn't find out how to make some of that fancy sci-fi tech. say like cloaking, transportation, and the list.

i like this classification of a civilizations advanceness(not a real word) from the fictional universe of "halo"

Tier 7: Pre-Industrial

Tier 6: Industrial Age

Tier 5: Atomic Age

Tier 4: Space Age

Tier 3: Space-Faring

Tier 2: Interstellar

Tier 1: World Builders

Tier 0: Transsentient

for more halo.wikia.com...

reply to post by quantumdragon


Well I agree the Kardashev Scale seems a little one-sided in the way a civilization is measured. I think other factors should play a role in determining a measurement. I would like to see an updated version. I think some key factors could be:

1. The ability to use and harness energy. Which is how the scale currently works. We are currently at .70, which is close to a type I

2. Information. We have the internet which would be above the Type 1.0 mark.

3. Medicine/Life expectancy

4. Communication

5. Propulsion

6. Spiritualism

reply to post by QuantumDisciple


Allow me to postulate upon your postulation ...

As you state , Earth is not yet in Grade 1 .

I seriously doubt that Grade 2 or 3 are going to make contact .

This would be tasked to an advanced Grade 1 class ,

and could be happening now ....

Thank you for clarifying where this classification scheme came from Ladyvictoria. I wasn't aware. But it makes more sense, now that I know the source.

I wonder, how would an agriculture specialist classify the advancement levels of another ET civilization? T1=subsistence farmers, T2=GM mastery, T3=no need for food?

How about a medical doctor? T1=high death rate, T2=low death rate, T3=extreme longevity + ↑quality of life?

What about an oceanologist/hydrologist?

You know that saying "When you're a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail"? That's part of the problem with this classification scheme. There are so many variables that define the advancement of a civilization, energy being only one of them. And we already have people that are far more qualified to quantify what and how to classify civs in a comprehensive manner... Anthropologists. It's their actual jobs.


Type I, II, III.... Gimme a break.