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Graham Handcock "Fingerprints of the Gods", right?
Originally posted by Leveller
Originally posted by mithras
Let me know if you still beg to differ.
Yes I do. Read the words and you will see that they refer to human body parts. The fact that you put your own translation to them to make them mean something else in the definition is neither here nor there.
The unassailable fact is that the Koran gives Allah human form. Just because the religion tried to wipe this out by giving you another way of putting them into context does not mean that they don't exist.
It's up to you to prove to me that the Koran doesn't describe the physical Allah. I'm afraid that is something you cannot do.
By the way. If you want, we can add other body parts - shin and ass are just two.
Originally posted by DaTruth
Can you tell me the cahpter and verse that Allah has been givein human attributes?
Originally posted by KSoze
The Qu�ran is the most likely explaination-How? It doesn�t expound on the complete marvels of our universe, the complete beauty of nature, it also only mentions a few crimes and their punishments. The qu�ran is very INCOMPLETE. This is its biggest problem (what it doesn't say)
Your car and textbook example are not good ones. I do not care about the smallest details on my car. My car is not claiming to speak for god. My car is temporal. Islam is claiming to speak for the eternal. Surely you see the difference. Naturally, there are things in this life that we will question more. Do you put your car on the same level as your spiritual life.
�People BELIEVE what is easiest�- you are correct. BELIEF is easiest. Belief is the moment you stop questioning and it is very easy to do.
The memorization was not to backup the written. If that is the case, why during Abu bakr�s compilation were they afraid those that had memorized qu�ran were going to die. Thats why the compilation was undertaken to start with. This is from your own website.
And no, I did not get anything from answering-islam. i dont even know what it is. There are many sources in which muslims says things like this. Most of the quotes are from early muslims. The early muslims possibly accepted the qu�ran as incomplete.
Does the message feel correct? i�m going to be blunt...that is ignorant. You do not always experience reality sometimes you experience what you want to. You do not interpret what you experience correctly all the time. Millions of jews and christians feel they are correct; so why argue with them. There �feeling� is just as valid as yours given that logic. There
are satanists, pagans, polytheists that all feel they are correct. What about them.
Originally posted by Leveller
Hands -
"The ones who swear allegiance to you merely swear allegiance to God. God's hand rests above their hands..." S. 48:10
Eyes -
Allah said: "Granted is thy prayer, O Moses! And indeed We conferred a favour on thee another time [before]. Behold! We sent to thy mother, by inspiration, the message: 'Throw [the child] into the chest, and throw [the chest] into the river: The river will cast him up on the bank, and he will be taken up by one who is an enemy to Me and an enemy to him: But I endued thee with love from Me: And [this] in order that thou mayest be reared under Mine eye.'" S. 20:36-39
Shin -
"The Day that the shin shall be laid bare, and they shall be summoned to prostrate, but they shall not be able...." S. 68:42
Face -
"I take refuge with Your Face." S. 6:65
Waist -
"Allah created mankind and when He had finished, the womb stood up and took hold of Allah's waist." Hadith 34:
Originally posted by Leveller
I don't think it's being "funny".
I posted the verses as they stand. the fact that you have twisted them to suit your own cause does not make the literal translation funny.
As for the first translation - it clearly states that Allah appears in a physical form. Again, twist it all you like but there is no hiding from the truth.
Originally posted by Leveller
I don't think it's being "funny".
I posted the verses as they stand. the fact that you have twisted them to suit your own cause does not make the literal translation funny.
As for the first translation - it clearly states that Allah appears in a physical form. Again, twist it all you like but there is no hiding from the truth.
Originally posted by Leveller
I don't think it's being "funny".
I posted the verses as they stand. the fact that you have twisted them to suit your own cause does not make the literal translation funny.
As for the first translation - it clearly states that Allah appears in a physical form. Again, twist it all you like but there is no hiding from the truth.
Originally posted by DaTruth
Parts of the bible are true. People just choose to read the parts that they are told to read.
Originally posted by Leveller
I don't think it's being "funny".
I posted the verses as they stand. the fact that you have twisted them to suit your own cause does not make the literal translation funny.
As for the first translation - it clearly states that Allah appears in a physical form. Again, twist it all you like but there is no hiding from the truth.
Originally posted by Jakko
Originally posted by DaTruth
Parts of the bible are true. People just choose to read the parts that they are told to read.
I think it's a little bit more complicated than that.
Parts of the bible are understood.
Instead of making the bible look bad, those that don't understand parts of it should try to find out what's really going on.
Originally posted by KSoze
I am not biased towards the bible. The bible is just as corrupt as the Qu�ran.
[edit on 29-6-2004 by KSoze]
Originally posted by River Euphrates
what made you judge that the verse is literally speaking about a literal form of Allah? Was it a gut instinct of yours.....?
Originally posted by KSoze
The Qu�ran is the most likely explaination-How? It doesn�t expound on the complete marvels of our universe, the complete beauty of nature, it also only mentions a few crimes and their punishments.
[edit on 29-6-2004 by KSoze]
Originally posted by Leveller
Originally posted by River Euphrates
what made you judge that the verse is literally speaking about a literal form of Allah? Was it a gut instinct of yours.....?
Why shouldn't I judge? Were any of the scriptures written so that I couldn't interpret them for myself? The question should be: "Who said I couldn't judge?" I see what I read and read what I see.
[edit on 30-6-2004 by Leveller]
Originally posted by River Euphrates
Thus, the claim that the Qur'an is dependent on the Bible is false.
Originally posted by Leveller
Originally posted by River Euphrates
Thus, the claim that the Qur'an is dependent on the Bible is false.
Get real. The whole bloody book uses the Bible as it's basis.
There is no proof that the majority of the figures in the OT even existed. Yet we find those same characters within the Koran.
Islam was yet another tribal religion. It got lucky and survived only because the Jews had done all the groundwork in the OT.
Originally posted by Leveller
Originally posted by River Euphrates
what made you judge that the verse is literally speaking about a literal form of Allah? Was it a gut instinct of yours.....?
And hesaw him another time, by the lotus tree none may pass; near which is the garden of the Abode! When there covered the lotus tree what did cover it! The sight swerved not nor wandered. He saw then the greatest of the signs of his Lord.
[edit on 30-6-2004 by Leveller]
Originally posted by River Euphrates
Please read my posts before prematurely judging what I say. The Qur'an is based on the Bible ...but it is not dependent on the Bible.
Originally posted by Raphael_UO
Originally posted by River Euphrates
Please read my posts before prematurely judging what I say. The Qur'an is based on the Bible ...but it is not dependent on the Bible.
Would it be accurate if I were to rephrase this as: "While the origins of the Qur'an are derived from the Bible, had the Bible not existed the Qur'an would still exist in its current form" ?
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