(Sept. 2010) UK's Leading Scientific Body Retreats on Climate Change

reply to post by burntheships


None-the-less the link provided does not support the conclusion the OP and others have placed upon it - indeed they have completely misrepresented what it says!

Most CT's say they are after the truth - which is admirable but pointing out errors, misrepresentations and disinfo shouldn't be limited to hammering the "official story" - you shuuold be "outing" those who provide false info that purports to support your case - because that isn't doing you any favours at all.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


That is unless of course, you are not to be taken seriously,
as The Flying Spaghetti Monster, flying blind no matter what truth it placed in front of you.

reply to post by burntheships


So you thnik the RS report does support what the OP says, despite the clear evidence I posted?

If so, can you explain that to us all please? Did I post somethign that was wrong? Were any of my quotes incorrect? were my one-line summaries of them inaccurate? Did I miss out something important that would change things??

If not, what are you on about?

Originally posted by jimbo999
That's ridiculous! If anything, it's quite the opposite: the big oil companies and their paid shills have probably threatened and coerced them into to retracting what they KNOW to be the truth...

The "paid shills" happen to be the AGW alarmists and (false) prophets.
Of course, you'll call the Royal Society "paid shills," too, as that seems to be the only retort the faithful have when their religion comes under criticism.

To date, the political activist engine powering climate change has been anchored by an elite circle of scientists, foundations, green journalists, carbon financiers- and politicians looking for a good cause. The fuel for this engine has been supplied by short-term economic opportunities, most of which has been in the form of massive research grants, subsidies and feed-in tariffs(triggering a rise in energy costs to the consumer) by the State and confederate bodies like the UN and the European Union.

21stcenturywire.com...

jw

reply to post by jdub297


Didn't you just call the RS paid shills, since they say that there is no doubt that AGW is happening??

2nd

Originally posted by jdub297

The "paid shills" happen to be the AGW alarmists and (false) prophets.
Of course, you'll call the Royal Society "paid shills," too, as that seems to be the only
retort the faithful have when their religion comes under criticism.

jw

Its quite the opposite actually, the religious crowd IS the Global Warming Faithful.

The Chief Rabbinate of Isreal, The Palestine Court of Sharia Law, The WAQF,
and leaders of all Christian Churches in Jerusalem all united in agreeement,
however, its not concerning religion, it is to unite for the cuase of Climate Change.

And not only Climate Change....but incontrovertible man made global warming!
Religious Nutters!

This council represents the highest religious authorities of the Holy Land: the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, the Palestinian Ministry of Religious Affairs (Waqf), the Palestinian Court of Sharia law and all leaders of Christian Churches in Jerusalem. The Council of Religious Institutions of the Holy Land in Jerusalem brings together the leaders of the three religions to jointly promote coexistence...Holy Land Declaration On Climate Change

Since the failure at Copenhagen, the IPCC Scandals, the leaders of the religion
of Climate Change have fought hard to keep the "threat of climate change" as the New Terror.

Lest we forget

A high-ranking member of the U.N.'s Panel on Climate Change admits the group's primary goal is the redistribution of wealth and not environmental protection or saving the Earth The Climate Cash Cow

The Joint Declaration is titled Holy Land Declaration On Climate Change

www.archive.org...
We must remember: Redistibution of the worlds weath is no small matter, and when the three religions join united this common cause only then can we see the size and scope of this conspiracy.

vaticaninsid er.lastampa.it

Mounting evidence of scientific fraud might make little difference in terms of the response to manmade global warming hysteria. Why?

Vested economic and political interests have emerged where trillions of dollars and social control are at stake. Therefore, many people who recognize the scientific fraud underlying global warming claims are likely to defend it anyway. Automobile companies have invested billions in research and investment in producing "green cars." General Electric and Phillips have spent millions lobbying Congress to outlaw incandescent bulbs so that they can force us to buy costly compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFL). Farmers and ethanol manufacturers have gotten Congress to enact laws mandating greater use of their product, not to mention massive subsidies. Thousands of major corporations around the world have taken steps to reduce carbon emissions including giants like IBM, Nike, Coca-Cola and BP, the oil giant. Companies like Google, Yahoo and Dell have vowed to become "carbon neutral."

Then there's Chicago Climate Futures Exchange that plans to trade in billions of dollars of greenhouse gas emission allowances. Corporate America and labor unions, as well as their international counterparts have a huge multi-trillion dollar financial stake in the perpetuation of the global warming fraud. Federal, state and local agencies have spent billions of dollars and created millions of jobs to deal with one aspect or another of global warming. www.fieldandstream.com...

reply to post by burntheships


Great find!

I think these two passages from the OP article say it much better than my rantings ever could:

“The Royal Society now also agrees(with us) that the warming trend of the 1980s and 90s has come to a halt in the last 10 years,” said Dr Benny Peiser, the Director of GWPF.

“The biggest failing of the new guide is that it dismisses temperature data prior to 1850 as limited and leaves it at that. It would cast a whole new light on today’s warming if the Medieval Warm Period, the Roman Warm Period and the Bronze Age Warm Period were as warm as today, possibility even warmer than today.

It floors me that they pretend to do science and rule out anything prior to 1850!!!

Global Warming "science", is a political movement not a science movement.

reply to post by pianopraze


What it actually says about pre-1850 measurements itself - rather than taking paraphrasing from critics:

Measurements suitable for showing how surface temperature has changed with time
across the world became available around 1850.

So apparently there was a technological advance about then that made this aspect useable.

Measurements show that averaged over the globe, the surface has warmed by about
0.8oC (with an uncertainty of about ±0.2oC) since 1850.

- not particularly relevant to the dismissal croticism, but included for completeness (it's jsut 1 para below the one above)

and

Observations are not yet good enough to quantify, with confidence, some aspects of
the evolution of either climate forcing or climate change, or for helping to place tight
bounds on the climate sensitivity. Observations of surface temperature change before
1850 are also scarce.

So they are "scarce" - not dismissed at all!!

And that is it - there are no other references to pre-1850 data.

So they say they have little useable data prior to 1850.

To me it looks like something happened in 850 such as a technology change or perhaps an organisational change (eg a national weather monitoring system was introduced somewhere or something like that).

Presumably you think there is plenty of data prior to 1850 that they could use?

You have mentioned a number of warm spells - but are they sufficiently detailed to be used in a comparison of surface temperatures, which is what htey are actualy measuring?

We have information from things like growth rings on trees and ice cores that tell us times were warmer or colder, and AFAIK we make "guestimates" about the temperatures at those times in a general sense - but the modern measurement is a lot more specific than that - it looks at repeated accurate measurements at set locations over teh last 160 years (more or less) - that is something quite different from the sorts of things I thnk you are saying they are "ignoring".

Originally posted by pianopraze

It floors me that they pretend to do science and rule out anything prior to 1850!!!

Global Warming "science", is a political movement not a science movement.

Yes, even todays science is ignored by the fanatics. The scam of 'icontrovertible'
warming faces challenges often by top scientists, its just hard to find the stories,
as the news media is part of the scam.

Take for instance this scientists claims that we are in a CO2 famine!

Washington, DC — Award-winning Princeton University Physicist Dr. Will Happer declared man-made global warming fears “mistaken” and noted that the Earth was currently in a “CO2 famine now.” Happer, who has published over 200 peer-reviewed scientific papers, made his remarks during today’s Environment and Public Works Full Committee Hearing entitled “Update on the Latest Global Warming Science.”

“Many people don’t realize that over geological time, we’re really in a CO2 famine now. Almost never has CO2 levels been as low as it has been in the Holocene (geologic epoch) – 280 (parts per million - ppm) – that’s unheard of. Most of the time [CO2 levels] have been at least 1000 (ppm) and it’s been quite higher than that,” Happer told the Senate Committee
epw.senate.gov...