Is Porn Dangerous?

reply to post by LimbicSystem


tl;dr: Addictive behavior is displayed in every passtime. Do you blame the stamps for bankrupting the addicted philatelist? I sure don't.


Well, in your OP and several times throughout the thread, you have asserted that "rape has shot up in America". The statistics say otherwise...

If pornography were responsible or in any way correlated with rape, wouldn't the incidence of rape increase with the proliferation of pornography being freely available to the masses? Did you even read the study I linked to?

Did you see the comparison of states with the least amount of internet per capita versus the states with highest rates of internet availability?

I went in to this thread with no knowledge on the actual data; I was on the fence you might say. However it is obvious you have made up your mind and will ignore any data that doesn't agree with your opinion of porn causing rape. Considering there is no data to support your opinion, it can be stated that you are ignoring all valid data.

Addiction to pornography is obviously detrimental to a person's well being. However the "problem" is with the person's inability to cope, not pornography. As with most addictions, the true problem is probably due to an inability to cope emotionally with some other event - the porn is an escape from some other aspect of the person's life.

I also believe some people are biologically predisposed to become addicted to sex/porn/drugs/internet/video games/gambling etc... Most people who drink alcohol are not alcoholics, most people who use recreational drugs are not addicts, most people who view pornography are not rapists.

I tried to find some data to support your theory as per request, check it out:

METHODS: Rapists serving sentence in a Singapore prison were compared with 2 control groups, one consisting of violent non-sexual offenders and another comprising non-violent non-sexual offenders.

RESULTS: Rapists tended to be men in their late thirties who rape women in their early twenties. A large majority of the rapists and their victims are known to each other. Rapists are more likely to come from large, disordered families, attaining low educational levels but seemingly less antisocial when compared with the controls. More rapists and violent controls reported recent viewing of pornography before committing their offenses.

Men Who Commit Rape in Singapore Emphasis mine

reply to post by LimbicSystem


haha. i'm not sure what you're trying to say with the banjo statement. my guess is that we agree though. i don't buy into the art/porn split. porn is just art meant to sexually stimulate others. if we came to some kind of agreement that porn was to blame for sexual assault/violence, then the only logical conclusion would be to ban all art. that brazillian guy with his gallery full of pictures of him assassinating world leaders? yea, lets see how long it takes for nelson mandella or gw bush to be assassinated. then lets talk about porn.

Originally posted by starless and bible black
reply to post by LimbicSystem

 

If as you suggest, porn causes mutations in criminal thought, then perhaps we ought be forced to view it, if only as a means to draw out the vulnerable ones. It is not that hard to do. I think you'd find that the vast majority of persons are able to keep their own sexual ideas separate from 'porn'.

This is the most thought provoking reply in the entire thread tus far. Both exciting and disturbing. Its actually a very good idea. Also it contains a groundbreaking conspiratorial aspect..

Heres the scenario.

RFID chips, cameras located in telivision sets.etc, common relatively low tech devices, the tech for these has been around for what..35 or 40 years that we know of.. So it goes without saying that this tech has improved exponentially and secretly over the years, as we all know the general public is at least a quarter of a century behind what is actually possible.

Everyone is 'chipped' by whatever means, and deviant behavior or impulse is converted to a signal recognizeable by computer, not unlike biometrics. Woohoo its getting fun now!!!

Flood the 'airways' with both direct and subliminal simulated acts of deviance, and non deviant behavior. Categorize , monitor and log results. Feed these results to law enforcement, coporations etc. Like the ultimate MMPI.

I know this is off track a little, but..what if? Porn is just another tool being used by the PTB to track possible and active offenders. The worst of the worst probably stay 'off the grid' anyway, so this approach will never replace vigilance by the community.

The problem is..where would it stop? The people who werent deviant would be 'placed' where it was most profitable and so on.

So, could porn be the same as drugs being put back on the street to catch more druggies..Who knows? I kind of doubt it but it was interesting to think about.

OP, (I'm ignoring the serious and real issues that can arise from masturbation to an inanimate object)
Instead, I praise all those men who can't get a gal to sleep with them, who don't commit rape, and sit peacefully at their monitors making imaginary love to a hottie.

Porn was most dangerous in it's printed form. Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler.
People would get left handed paper cuts. Now it is safe to look at the skin.

Is the female body the most beautiful thing in the world?
Is displaying the female body art?
Is art dangerous?

People are always the danger. Not the porn, Not the guns, always the individual.

Originally posted by SLaPPiE
OP, (I'm ignoring the serious and real issues that can arise from masturbation to an inanimate object)
I

Porn was most dangerous in it's printed form. Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler.
People would get left handed paper cuts.

I thought you were going to ignore these issues.

Or were you referring to something else? Statues, dirt clods, sun ripened canteloupe?

Yes porn is bad. It is making men think anal sex is normal and so many women and girls are feeling like they have to do it. It is indeed very dangerous, fastest way to to get HIV and easy to get HPV and then anal cancer. It causes rips also in the rectum and damage to the sphincter. I just saw a news report about how more and more women end up going to the doctor or hospital for damage to that area from this. My one friend in fact is having bleeding. I´m feeling so sorry for her because he man expects it and she is too submissive to say no. I´m disgusted really that people can, like one said, defend their habits simply out of the need to feel they are right, and not take a closer look at the truth of the matter. Not to mention E Coli and infection. And when these women are older they might have trouble holding in their bowel movements. This is only the physical side. Emotionally this porn and anal sex it promotes is making women to do something that they know in their gut is unhealthy and takes away from their feminine qualities. Lets face it folks, it is 'dirty'. Its also like making the vagina a lesser vessel. Because men think of anal sex as ' special', that its the icing on the cake. Its tighter, whatever. Sick sick sick. Women,please don´t continue to to physically and emotionally bash your self esteem to smithereens. Please! Even if there is some pleasure in it, there is often pain, and why do something that in general is bad for society. People can´t push boundaries so far, or there will be no boundary left! This is indeed how morals decline. Its excess and porn has alot to blame.

Originally posted by psyko45

Originally posted by SLaPPiE
OP, (I'm ignoring the serious and real issues that can arise from masturbation to an inanimate object)
I

Porn was most dangerous in it's printed form. Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler.
People would get left handed paper cuts.

I thought you were going to ignore these issues.

Or were you referring to something else? Statues, dirt clods, sun ripened canteloupe?

My jovial comment is not worthy of a reply, as that is NOT a SERIOUS or REAL problem.
I think the real danger is those statues you mentioned..Here is why:

Some tool walks by a hot nude statue, gets all worked up, and can't just stand there masturbating in the park, decides to accost a jogger in the bush. You get a case of statue caused rape.

(For this who can't understand my sense of humor, please understand, I have still not addressed the real problems with porn) I just find a humorous irony in the post title. Is porn dangerous? = Are bullets dangerous?

Obviously rocks are the real danger as stones can be thrown without a gun.

Get it?

reply to post by LimbicSystem

Obviously this is not healthy. There is a cause, and it isn't just over population(although I wouldn't mind the world being nuked and taking care of all of us and the entire population problem), pornography poses a very big threat.


?Although I wouldnt mind the world being nuked and taking care of all of us and the entire population problem?

I would have to say that, that statement right there, shows me a bigger problem than any porn material ever has!
The very big threat is that porn is more of a threat than nukes and their use, by a percentage of the population and you have chosen to be in that percentage on your own.

reply to post by rubyeyes


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Sorry to say, I don't think porn is entirely responsible for this anal fascination.
I truly believe it has something to do with the forbidden fruit.
Mans desire to have that which he can not have.


I think the biggest problem with porn is people that fear it.
If a healthy minded individual looks around themselves and observes peoples body shapes, they will notice that people vary in size, shape and looks. This same person realizes that the fat, sloppy, ugly is not very appealing when the clothing is removed. This person understands what a "model" is, and knows they are considered above average.

I here this argument that boys who use porn, think all girls should have these rock-star bodies.
They should, as sitting around getting fatter does make one less appealing than the fit person.

This ain't rocket science here

reply to post by greeneyedleo


Didn't the ancient greeks watch plays with filth in them with the specific goal of releasing these dark urges through fantasy so as to stop them wanting to do it in reality? based on the articles you linked it would seem maybe they were onto something....

maybe it all just comes down to whether you can tell the difference between fantasy & reality.

-B.M

reply to post by LimbicSystem


Hey OPs

I had a discussion about this with a friend of mine whom is also a therapist dealing with addictions. He said basically the average porn use (I guess this is subjective) is fine, and even healthy to a degree. However, addiction/obsession is damaging and potentially dangerous, but any addiction and obsessive behavior over almost anything is showing warning signs overall.

Maybe porn has some small benefit for people that are so lonely and really need a release, it might keep them from becoming predators. It might helps some people with sexual dysfunction regain a libido. Ok, I can see that. I´m just saying most porn, is indeed more hurtful than helpful. Maybe a sacred sex erotic video, something not demeaning but still very sensual and sexy would be a better alternative. If porn is a necessity for some, there is no reason that it has to be so totally debauched. That does not lead to healthy happy sex, it leads to obsession with more and more perversion. I´m not against sex. I´m against sex being sold and made superficial and cheap and dirty and unholistic. I should not only give you pleasure but raise our spirit. Most porn is nothing but degrading.

I've watched porn for my entire life. I enjoy it. Any fantasy one might have and quite a few that one probably would never entertain are depicted in porn movies.

It is a sad fact of life that many of us are doing jobs that we would not have chosen for ourselves. Some of these jobs are dirty and degrading and involve the regular experience of abuse. Some of us are highly exploited by our employers, practically to the point of enslavement. Others just have tough dirty jobs. Many of the first responder type jobs and service industry jobs fall into that category. In some cases the situation is helped by the support of one's fellow workers, but in some cases one's fellow workers make the situation even worse.

The same things can be said about some jobs in the porn industry.

On the other hand, many in the porn industry love their job and revel in what they are doing. Nina Hartley, trained as a nurse originally, is a great example of this.

A lifetime of watching porn has taught me to expand my idea of what is acceptable sexually. I think people are entitled to their sexual fantasies, to depict them in porn and to view them being acted out.

I really would like to see a .xxx domain on the internet so that all porn could be put there. It would make it a lot easier for parents to block adult sites from their children's eyes.

Singling out porn for attention, when the mainstream film industry has made a fetish of murder, I think is warped, to put it mildly.

We have laws to govern all kinds of assaults on others. Regulating fantasies might actually be counterproductive.

There will be copycat murderers and copycat rapists, but punishing the vast majority of law abiding fantasists for the crimes of a miniscule minority is a mistake.

I don't mind admitting I’m a bit of a porn addict, not the Hollywood fake porn but natural amateur stuff. Seeing as many female bits as I can surely is in the male psyche. So I don't see any harm in porn.

However.... What I think the real problem is, is how easily accessible porn is. I mean free hardcore porn is literally only a few clicks away.... What I do not want is my children getting full on in your face porn from a few misguided clicks....

I suggest using the filtering tools on your router to block anything with sexual content, and supervise your children’s access to the internet.

Other than that, bring on the PORN!!!

Korg.

had a reply here but misread post - sorry for wasted space.

For some porn may be addictive,
However ATS may be just as addictive to others.
But Dangerous? .. no more so than anything else
that society has allowed to happen

Porn is a population control weapon.
People jack off instead of doing the real thing.
Later on real sex is numbing.

Porn is for those who don't get real sex.

reply to post by rubyeyes


I agree. In fact I would call most of it straight up raunchy. I caught my brother in law (he's 12) looking at porn on my computer.. (I added parental controls afterward) I found it in the history and watched it. It was extremely hardcore and graphic.

As an adult I cannot say pornography is dangerous as most grown men are known to look at a playboy every now and again, but I will say that it is extremely dangerous for children and far to easy to access.

reply to post by JohnnyTHSeed


Maybe I'm wrong by this belief, but as long as porn is bringing in money, all the different sources of information that the statistics come from still will not explain to you that when the population is going up, a statistic[restricted to 100 percent] will appear to be going down.

As in...for the population total, it IS appearing to be going down in statistics, and it is overall harder to calculate...but in real numbers, it's higher, but the increase of people makes the statistic appear lower. This is not confirmed, just a belief of mine. I believe you're being tricked because money is all that matters. Maybe I'm wrong.
You've also got people who do report it, people who don't...

It's much harder to get away with things now than it use to be.
There are a number of reasons to defend porn, but the soul reason the reasons will be supported is to protect the porn industry.
Well, we know enough to say that porn isn't helping to bring down rape.
All crime has been going down. Technology has improved....so, it isn't some kind of shock that the statistics say rape has gone down.

Of a combination of all of these things, including porn bringing in too much money to ever die, I believe porn DOES poison the mind of any addict over a period of time.
That is the main point.

You don't have to share my ideas on this. I wouldn't expect it from anyone other than the adults and parents.

Porn is not the only stream. Crime-Drama shows depict rape all the time. Music videos can depict rape. Video games depict rape. Not porn itself but media is a pool of negativity. Everything is conditioned to match fears and feed off of fears. If the people watch it will exist. plain and simple